Episode Transcript
[00:00:01] Speaker A: Welcome back to Integrative lyme Solutions with Dr. Karl Feldt.
[00:00:05] Speaker B: I am so excited about the show.
[00:00:07] Speaker A: That we have ahead of us.
[00:00:08] Speaker C: We have some phenomenal information that could save lives.
[00:00:13] Speaker B: You're gonna need to tune in to what's going on today. The information is jam packed, so don't step away.
Hello. Thank you so much for joining Integrative lyme Solutions with Dr. Karlfeld. I am your host, Dr. Michael Karl Fe Belt. I've been in clinical practice since 1987. I've seen pretty much everything under the sun, worked with so many different Lyme patients, and I know what a devastating disease this is. That's why I'm doing this podcast to make sure that you are armed with the information that you need in order to be able to be successful in your struggle with Lyme. We'll be featuring authors, doctors, professors, and also people like yourself that have gone through the journey that you're going through, that have been where you've been and is now on the other side. And they get to tell their victorious story as to how they battle Lyme so that you can implement that in your life as well.
Be sure to like us and write a review on whichever platform that you're listening on. What that does is it enables other people to see us more so that they have access to this information as well. So I'm so excited that you're tuning in and get ready for this upcoming show. It is going to be amazing. Well, I have the absolute pleasure of having Jason Bashowicz with me today. Dr. Jason, it is such an honor. And yeah, thank you so much for taking this time with me.
[00:01:52] Speaker D: Yeah, thanks for having me.
[00:01:54] Speaker B: So in regards to lime, I mean, lime is something that you specialize in, but it really, it kind of started with a personal story. Do you mind sharing that personal story a little bit? And what put you in a place that this is something that you're very passionate about?
[00:02:11] Speaker D: Yeah, no, it's as anyone, I think, that gets into this field, it's usually someone close to home that affects you that brings you into this. And for myself, it was my wife. My wife is an naturopathic doctor as well. And we like, spend lots of time out at the cabin. And all of a sudden one fall, her health just started deteriorating and couldn't get off the couch. Her brain wasn't working properly. It was getting to the point where she was having a hard time understanding what we were talking about. And even some days, not even having the ability to know kind of how to get dressed in the morning, like, it was very scary. This is going from coming from a person that is running a big clinic to having a hard time making decisions about how to get going on the day.
And, and anyway, so, you know, when we were in school, we learned the typical, hey, there's a bullseye lesion.
You know, you get this little fever and then you take a week of antibiotics and it goes away. But, you know, in this case, there was no bullseye, there was no apparent bite.
And all of the symptoms kind of came on very slow and very neurological. Not the typical kind of sore knees and whatnot. So anyways, that was how I got into this. I just started sending blood all over the place to every lab across the world, spending thousands. And I started getting semesters. When I started learning about this, it was about a two year journey to get her back to work and fully functional. But through that two years, I learned a lot. And now that's what I'm helping other people, patients with.
[00:03:39] Speaker B: I love that. Then. And, and that's the thing is kind of that discrepancy between what you learn in school and then when you go out in real life and you see it firsthand like this, you know what it really entails, that it isn't just, you know, you get a bullseye rash. You doxycycline for two weeks and then now it's gone and now you can move on. You know, what is, I mean, do you mind talking a little bit more about that discrepancy? I mean, essentially, is that all you learned in school? You know, bullseye rash, antibiotic, and now you move on?
[00:04:16] Speaker D: Yeah, and that's pretty much it. Like if you look in the little black book the medical doctors get, that's exactly the description. It's a bullseye rash. It's a week or two of doxycycline. It's done. The, the discrepancy is, is, is that there are different presentations. There's neuroborreliosis, right. Which can essentially result in neurological diseases that mimic things like Parkinson's, that mimic things like Huntington's, that mimic things like Ms.
So you have all these patients that are coming in with, you know, the doctor says, well, the MRI doesn't exactly look like it, but we think it's Ms.
So you have that presentation and then you have other presentations where it is more of a fever type picture and more of an encephalitis.
And so, you know, it's there and then there's the typical kind of physical aches and pains. And things like that. But the thing that we're not taught about in school is the CO infections. And it's very rare that you would ever have a Lyme disease patient that either doesn't have a CO infection, meaning a viral reactivation, or another bacteria or parasite that is also in that tick or from another insect bite. But there is also the possibility that you have some sort of underlying immune dysfunction that makes you more predisposed to getting a full presentation of Lyme disease or Bartonella or busy or plasma or Lykia, which is all of the different bacteria that are in high prevalence within ticks themselves. And so it's one of those things that, you know, it's, it's never just Lyme. There's always. If something comes up and there's a bite and there's weird symptoms, I guarantee it's going to be more than one thing clinically.
[00:05:50] Speaker B: And how did you kind of navigate. So here you have your wife and you're seeing she's gone downhill.
And how did you identify that Lyme was part of that picture? I mean, what, what brought you in that direction?
[00:06:03] Speaker D: No, I mean, that was a. That's a great question. I mean, I honestly had no idea. Like, you know, it to, to me it seemed like it was some severe. Almost like Lou Gehrig's disease, right? Like, it was like she was losing her mad cow disease. And so I just started kind of asking around when I went to medical conferences and I just said, like, what do you think? And I ran into Dr. Arman, who runs Armand Labs in Germany, and he says, it sounds like an infection to me. And so I started sending her blood off to Germany. And sure enough, five things came back positive. It wasn't just one, it was five.
So we know that. You know what, what's interesting is this, her clinical presentation, she always had some health issues pretty much her whole life. And we just thought, ah, that's just who she is. But now looking back, we probably saw that she probably got some infection as a teenager. That's why she was tired all the time. And then, you know, she finally got bit again in her 40s. And then next thing you know, that's when, you know, the cart gets toppled over and the health just can't, you know, compensate anymore. So that's kind of what happened there. Now the other thing is, is I often get in trouble because a lot of people say, well, you're not supposed to treat family members, right? That's, that's an ethical issue. And we say, well, if Nobody knows how to help.
You're going to try and help. So that's. That's what I did. I took it upon myself to try and help. And then eventually I did find doctors to help us all across Canada and the United States to teach us and give us guidance on this. So that was very, very helpful. Yeah.
[00:07:34] Speaker B: Well, I mean, when you are the spouse and you're seeing your wife going downhill and you're not seeing, you know, people looking as hard as you would and kind of a. And spending as much energy and looking for resources as much as you are, then it's almost hard to hand that off completely to somebody else. It's hard to not be part of that solution because one, you love your wife and you want the best for her, and then, two, if you find somebody that's able to figure it out, then you would give it to them. But a lot of times that's not happening.
[00:08:13] Speaker D: Yeah, that's correct. I know. Yeah. It's a hard journey for a lot of people. Right. Because there just aren't great resources out there. There isn't. I mean, now there's more and more information out there. You know, whether through social media or YouTube or podcasts like this, you know, there's a lot more places you can find help.
But, you know, 10 years ago, you know, this field is kind of exploding now. People are getting much more aware of what. What is actually possible. So it's good. It's just. It was 10 years too late for. For us.
[00:08:44] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I. I actually had the same kind of journey with my wife. She dealt with an autoimmune type of condition or diagnosed ass, and she was supposed to be dead by now. You know, it's something called polyarteritis nodosa, you know.
[00:09:00] Speaker D: Right.
[00:09:01] Speaker B: Supposed to kind of attack all. All organs and all, you know, and she was just kind of lose function and she was starting to lose function, you know, but, yeah, now she's doing well. And so. And it's exactly. You get to navigate these infections and navigate everything. That. That's part of that picture. And. And that. That takes a lot of effort, and sometimes that's hard to put on a provider when it's. It's too complex like that.
[00:09:30] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's true.
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[00:11:32] Speaker D: And you know what was interesting was when I, I, this whole long Covid thing kind of brought up a lot of this, right? Because a lot of people got sick either from the virus and some people got sick from the solution to the virus.
And you know, with, with my particular story, the, the other thing that, that happened is my, my daughter actually got very, very sick and she was a high level athlete. She was on the, you know, basically floored, put on a couch for three months, basically stopped eating, did all this stuff. And so then, you know, in my mind I'm like, okay, what can we do? Because you know, we don't, we know it's not Lyme disease or whatever. It's probably some sort of post viral or, or vaccine induced reaction. What can we do? And so we ended up, I happened to be at a Lyme disease conference and I think this was in Chicago. And this is ilads, which is one of the main ones in the, in in the country. And I ran into this guy at a booth, and he said, you know, I've. I'm bringing this product over from India. And he's like, we use it for long Covid. But he's like, you know, remarkably, the. The lot of symptoms of long covet are very similar to a lot of the stuff that you will see in these chronic infections, too. So he says, would you be interested in trying it? I'll just give it to you for free. And so I said, sure. So anyways, I took it home, gave it to my daughter, and within a few days, she started coming off the couch, and I'm like, oh, my goodness, this is. There's. Is this fluky or is there something to this?
So then, anyways, I ended up phoning up this guy again and saying, you know, is it possible for me to get some more of this stuff because I want to try it with some of my lyme disease patients.
And he said, well, how would you like to do a study with it? So he ended up shipping me a case of it out, and I ended up enrolling almost 86 patients. And we did a study with it. I wasn't compensated. It was just free product. And I volunteered my time because I was really impressed.
And then I ended up doing a research paper on it, and I'm in the process of trying to publish it right now. But I did present it at the Lyme disease conference last year in San Antonio, Texas, and we had really, really great results with it. So that was part of my motivation today, was actually to talk about kind of this new herb that hasn't been traditionally used in this world, which is kiduchi root. And, you know, in the last 10 years, I haven't heard about this either. And, I mean, I think part of. Of it. There's a bit of a disconnect between ayurvedic and Indian medicine and western medicine, like, we know Asian medicine has kind of integrated a little bit more, partially because of Nixon and his trip, but there was.
Ayurvedic medicine just isn't kind of infiltrated into our kind of, I would say, holistic world yet. Anyway, so that was kind of something that I wanted to. To mention a little bit today was that potential for people to try this if they are struggling because it's a relatively inexpensive treatment they could try. They can order it online. I don't know if I'm allowed to mention it on the podcast or not, but it's something that.
That I thought was kind of interesting, and I wanted to share and hopefully you'll see that publication soon.
[00:14:36] Speaker B: Yeah, I'd love. Yeah. So, yeah, so tell me a little bit about that. Because I mean that, that's the thing. I want this to be a resource for, you know, patients or for people battling Lyme and then any, anything that's out there that can help them on their journey. Yeah, I want to make sure that that's available. So. Yeah. So tell me a little bit kind of what you have seen. Yeah, you had then 86 patients and enrolled in this study.
And so do you mind sharing a little bit what, what you were seeing in regards to symptom wise and. Yeah. And did it impact everyone? Was a certain percentage that it helped or you know, what, what were the results?
[00:15:17] Speaker D: Yeah, no, that's a great question. And so, you know, for us, what we did was we did kind of a multiple this symptoms questionnaire pre and post and we did a two week protocol. So what. What I found really interesting about this was is we said, okay, it doesn't matter if you're on antibiotics or not. It doesn't matter if you're doing a special diet or not. It doesn't matter what herbs you're on. Basically, if you have a diagnosis of Lyme disease, you can enter the study.
Doesn't matter at what point if it's acute or chronic or whatever. It just made it too complicated to kind of, you know, really dial it in. And the benefit was, was that at the end of the day, what we saw, over 80% of people responded favorably to the herbal preparation, which is a very, very good statistically significant response rate. In fact, if you, if we look through the multiple body systems, whether it was respiratory, digestive, mental symptoms, physical symptoms, like I said, in almost every single body compartment there was improvement. And a lot of times the patients didn't completely recognize it themselves. Which is the best part about doing these kind of more objective symptom questionnaires is that, you know, people would say, I didn't feel like, you know, it was maybe a little bit better. But then when you actually broke down their numbers, their before and after numbers, and on their self report reporting, then, you know, the improvement was 20, 30, 40% in a matter of two weeks. Which we know when somebody's got chronic Lyme disease, that, I mean, that's a massive improvement in two weeks. Right.
So it was, it was a very, very surprising result for the Lyme disease population, at least for my Lyme patients, was that we did have such improvement across most of the board. Now what I think was most exciting about this one was that with the particular preparation is, is that the people that were very sensitive to medications, meaning I had a hard time taking antibiotics or having a hard time responding in a favorable way to herbs or supplements, most of them tolerated this one very, very well. And so I think that was a really important factor that I wanted to emphasize is to say like, for doctors or patients that find that they like hercs very easily to medications, this is one that was incredibly well tolerated. And like I said, in a very short period of time, over 80% of patients actually responded favorably to it. So very, very exciting. Now what, what was actually in it? I guess I just wanted to mention that. So guduchi root was the main ingredient. There was a bit of black pepper extract in there. Now that is traditionally an ayurvedic medicine used as a synergy molecule from western medicine. We do see that as more of a.
It, it slows the clearance of the herb by shutting down certain enzymes in the, in the liver. And so it kind of artificially raises the therapeutic level for a longer period of time.
Now, now however it's working, whether it's from a Ayurvedic perspective or western medicine perspective, that's always those two herbs are put together kind of like licorice root in a lot of western herbal preparations.
And then the other thing that was in there was actually it's, it's not on the label because it doesn't exist in there, but it is put in there, which is homeopathic, the thimerosal.
So this is. Thimerosal is the adjuvant, that's mercury adjuvant. That's put in modern day vaccines to create us an immune stimulant effect. Right. But this is a homeopathic preparation, which means it's not actually in there. Nobody can prove that it exists in there. But that is in the product nonetheless. So that, that, that's the magic.
Yeah. Anyway, so that, that those are the ingredients that are in there and, and, and is there.
[00:18:58] Speaker B: So you did this for two weeks and when you're saying organ systems. So you said that this was just a symptom survey kind of thing, that they were self reporting versus you doing kind of objective findings, looking at what these labs are showing this, these labs are showing that it's more just like you're saying the self reporting.
And that had an improvement of 20, 30% across the board, you know, of, you know, within two weeks.
[00:19:28] Speaker D: Yeah. The only thing, there was only two areas where it didn't Improve.
And that was some upper respiratory symptoms that people would have, which may make sense because the upper respiratory might have been related to allergies or something else like mold exposure in their home or something like that, but the upper respiratory stuff. And there, there was some improvement in digestive symptoms, but not complete resolution. So there was a couple areas that it wasn't very successful in. But for the most part, the, the pain, the mental fatigue, the brain symptoms, the neurological symptoms, the swellings, those kinds of things. Like I said, overall statistically significant improvement within a two week period of time.
[00:20:08] Speaker B: And I guess. And was there one that really stuck out that saying that, you know, yes, these were 20, 30%, but this was 80%. Yeah, I was there one that was kind of an outlier like that.
[00:20:20] Speaker D: The one that was the outlier was the energy.
So for people would notice a significant improvement in energy, which, you know, for people with Lyme disease, you know, that, that's, that's one of the main symptoms.
Swellings was probably secondary, kind of like sore joints that improved, probably secondary. And then, you know, the mental symptoms, the brain fog, that was probably about third on the list of improvements. But I would say number one across the board, the easiest one to kind of, you know, quantify was the energy one.
[00:20:52] Speaker B: And was there a certain kind of dosage pattern that was important or, I mean, did you, what, what kind of dosages were you dealing with?
[00:21:01] Speaker D: Yeah, so we, we, we used the protocol that was basically dictated from the Indian doctors that we had consulted with.
And what was interesting about that was, is it has a very unique dosing strategy. Now the how we did it was we would do this is a liquid preparation and we would do 0.4 milliliters, which is, you know, basically a very small amount, maybe like almost half a teaspoon or almost a teaspoon. And you would do that every 15 minutes for basically every hour the first day. And then after that we would do it six times a day. And then for the next two to three days, and then days four to 14, we would do four times a day every three to four hours. So there's this very intense ramp up and then it kind of tapering off to a more reasonable amount over the period of the two weeks. Now I don't, you know, like I didn't come up with that, that dosing schedule at all. That was just purely based on what the doctors that have been using this for years in India said. This is how we use it now. You know, when we look into the science behind the Guiducci route in particular.
What has it been used for? It's been used for things like adrenal fatigue and energy issues for centuries.
But how does it work? I mean the main mechanism of action, it is an immune modulator, meaning that it has been shown to have anti inflammatory properties, which is good. Which is similar to, you know, cat's claw that we would be experiencing, you know, that we're more familiar with in our world.
There is some direct activity as well that was seen in the research and direct antiviral activity as well that has been seen in the research. And again, there is quite a few papers on this now with homeopathic thimerosal. There isn't as many, but there definitely is some papers out there in terms of how it has been used. The combination of the two, as far as I know. I've never seen a published study using the two of them together. I'm hoping to be the first, but I guess we'll see how that goes.
Yeah.
[00:23:05] Speaker B: And how do you kind of see these effects within two weeks? I mean, I assume you've had patients now much longer than two weeks that that's been on it, you know. So what are you seeing kind of long term with it?
[00:23:20] Speaker D: Yeah, no, that's a good question. So like for my long Covid kind of patients, I often find that one round really knocks them out. Like it gets them out of the funk and really gets things moving along very fast. A few patients, I've had to do it twice with my Lyme patients. What I'm finding is, is that we'll see improvements within a period of, like I said, two to three weeks. The, the, the new kind of preparation that they're shipping out to people, it's a three week course and so we're doing it for the three weeks. We often see improvements, but I usually wait about a month to six weeks and then I will also pulse it again. So with a lot of the antibiotic therapies that we're using, we're doing a pulse dosing regime quite often at the beginning. And so I've kind of adopted that type of principle behind it. So I will be using this preparation for about, you know, three weeks. I would take about six weeks off and then do another three weeks and do that and rotate through, and rotate through the herbs as well because obviously, you know, we don't want the, the bugs to get too accustomed to similar pressures on them. So that, that's how I'm doing it now. We are planning on doing a follow up study. I'M hoping if we can find the money to do it, which is basically to, to do a long term study and to break it down even further in terms of doing before and after with antibody Western blots, immunoblot type testing, just to see, you know, how much change we can see within a month, period of time if there is, you know, complete resolution.
I don't, I don't think it would be complete resolution, but I am seeing it as a very important part of my healing journey of my patients.
[00:25:02] Speaker B: And so with this, I mean, how.
So you had some patients, you know, you had to pulse it again and you, you're combining it obviously with your other strategies that you're doing the other herbals, you know, antibiotics and, and all the, all the other things that comes along with it.
[00:25:21] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:25:21] Speaker B: What would you say that, you know, what, what would be a great patient story that have brought this herb into, you know, the, the mixture of all the other things that you're doing?
[00:25:36] Speaker D: Yeah, no, I mean, I, I've got quite a few, to be honest with you. Like, I think the, the one that kind of was the most enlightening to me was there was a patient of mine who has anaphylactic allergies to almost every antibiotic. In fact, the only one we've ever been able to do is an IV Ceftriaxone.
Every other class of drugs doesn't work for her. Almost every herb I've tried, it didn't work for her. And so we're really frustrated because we're seeing her deteriorate very quickly, but yet the doctors are willing to do anything, but she can't tolerate it. And in that case, I said, well, hey, like, let's try this, right? So we try a drop on her tongue. She doesn't have reactions, so we say, okay, let's try it again. And sure enough, within two weeks she's seeing noticeable. Like we actually have pictures of her knee joints measured and they're, they're dramatically smaller within a two week period of time. So for somebody that has like this kind of trajectory where they're basically doctors are shrugging, saying, we don't have any meds that are going to help you. That one was the one where I was like, holy crap. Like, this is a great tool to have in your arsenal. I'm not saying it's the be all, end all, but it is definitely something that I'm having, you know, as a regular staple in my regime now with my patients. And I think there's a lot more interesting Kind of herbs that are probably going to come out of India that we haven't been using yet that are going to have some real benefit for those patients that just don't respond to the traditional herbs that we've, you know, that we've grown accustomed to here.
[00:27:01] Speaker B: Yeah, that's the thing. We, we are so used to talking about Chinese medicine, but like you're saying, you know, Ayurvedic's been around for, you know, same amount of time for thousands and thousands of years and developed, you know, it's a very intricate medicine. Yeah, it's. The system is very, very intricate. And obviously, just like Chinese medicine, it's worked, it's proven itself. Yeah. And the Ayurvedic has done the same.
[00:27:28] Speaker D: Yeah, exactly.
[00:27:30] Speaker B: Obviously we're used to, you know, ashwagandha. Yeah, we all see. I go to cola, it's not as common, but then, you know, turmeric, curcumin, very Ayurvedic, ginger, All of those things that we're used to not recognizing that that's kind of where it's all coming from.
So how do you, when do you bring this herb or this mixture in? Is it always when you see lyme and fatigue or is this something. When, when do you determine that this is something that I want to bring in for this patient?
[00:28:10] Speaker D: Yeah. So I think the criteria that, like, one of the things that I love it for is young children because it's completely safe, it's something we can add in and it tastes good. That's one of the issues with a lot of the, the cat's claw, knotweed. It's hard to get patient compliance, especially with young children or I find with very senior individuals, people that aren't accustomed to herbal medicine. Right. The younger 20 to 50 year old. I feel like most people have tried some pretty gross tasting things.
So the kids and the old people, right away I can get it in. If anyone says, again, like I said, they've been very sensitive to medications, I would get it in again. And any time that patients have fatigue issues, that's a big red flag for me because not all, not all Lyme disease patients have fatigue. You know, a lot of them will just say, I got really sore neck, I got really sore knees, I got really, like, my eyes are fluttering, my gut headaches, those kinds of things. But not all of them say, like, I can't get my butt off the couch. And so anytime the fatigue piece is there. And that's why the long Covid kind of transferred those symptoms transferred over to the Lyme world is because it was a fatigue type remedy. Now, I'm, I'm sure over time we're going to find out that it was actually quite helpful for many other things. But I mean, that's, in my mind it's like young, young kids, people that are taste averse to things, people that have many allergies or like I said, the main one for me was, was fatigue.
[00:29:36] Speaker B: Yeah.
And, and then, you know, you're talking about allergies and reactivity. You know, a lot of these very sensitive patients, you know, deal with like mast cell activation syndrome and, and where, like you're mentioning, they, they can do.
Somebody can just look at them wrong and they react, you know. And so in, in this scenario, it sounds like this combination would be very beneficial.
[00:30:02] Speaker D: Well, I think that's what we're finding, Ray, is this, that like with mast cell syndrome, a lot of people, like you want your immune system to be strong, but then if you stimulate it, it actually perpetuates the underlying dysfunction of the mast cell degranulation.
With this particular one, it's an immune modulator, which means that certain specific cytokines are decreased and other ones are actually kind of increased, which has a bit of a balancing effect on the body. So you're absolutely right. I mean, that's, that is the kind of perfect patient that, that I would try this on. Like you said, either allergies or people that have very, very sensitive constitutions that just seem to react poorly to everything.
And the nice thing is, is the latest formulation, because the first formulation that came out had a lot of extra ingredients that I think are probably more well accepted in certain parts of the world. But it had some questionable ingredients in there in terms of flavoring agents and sweeteners and stuff. And so the latest preparation, after the study, I went back to the manufacturer and I said, if you're going to make this, I said, and it's going to be used in North America, I said, you better get rid of all the extra garbage.
So the latest preparations, even cleaner. So the study we did was on the, you know, on the group with the artificial flavors and the sweeteners.
And we still had people that did extremely well on it without having bad reactions to it. So we're, I'm, I'm very, very confident that this is even going to be a better tool in the toolbox now for sensitive people.
[00:31:26] Speaker B: And how's your daughter doing?
[00:31:29] Speaker D: Oh, you know what? She's doing very good. She's back. Like she came back 100 what is interesting is like, when I looked at my wife's. We did genetic reports on them afterwards to look, to see, like, why, why do they react? And sure enough, in the genetics, it showed a, like a delayed TH2 response that was kind of a genetic. And so it kind of let these immune system dysfunctional viruses and bacteria take over before the immune system could fully respond to it. And so what, what we found was, is that this summer, the COVID is circulating right now where I'm living right now in Winnipeg. A lot of people getting sick right now. Not bad. Like, you know, not. It's just sick, but nonetheless, the people, and including my daughter that got sick, all of a sudden, she started going downhill again.
And so she started getting tired, losing appetite, just lethargic. And, and, and it scared the crap out of me, right? I was like, oh my goodness, here we go again.
So sure enough, I phoned Joel and I ordered the product and I said, let's, let's do it again. And so, yeah, we got a fresh shipment in and she took it. And within a few days it started to turn around again. So I'm kind of viewing this as for somebody with that kind of a constitution that their immune systems have this delayed kind of dysfunctional response.
This is a perfect product again, that they can use to kind of get themselves back on speed. So, yeah, thanks for asking about my daughter, but I think she's always going to have that kind of. My wife has that too, that disposition where they're going to have to be careful. But now we have a tool that we can use to kind of nip that in the bud, so to say.
[00:33:09] Speaker B: Yeah, I love that. And there's always a question. Yeah.
All the doctors that I've interviewed, you know, some people are all very pro antibiotics, other people's are not pro. They want to do all herbal. You know, what, what do you feel is a sweet spot for you, you know, when you work with, with patients, with Lyme patients, I would say, and.
[00:33:34] Speaker D: I tell my patients this, I.
And, and again, you can disagree with me or not, but I, I always tell them that the best results that I see are the people that address all aspects of health, meaning the. They will do antibiotics, but we will do it in a safe and controlled way. We will, we will do support so the antibiotics don't hurt the person. We're going to do intravenous therapies, but you're also going to do emotional and psychological supports too, because I don't know one single Lyme disease patient that comes in that doesn't have some sort of emotional trauma or major stress that's going on in their life. And so over my practice development over the years, I've realized that I can't. It isn't just about the physical medicines anymore. Right. There's definitely the mental, emotional part. But I think the patients that I see get better. And this is what I say, what you can accomplish in three months, doing a very holistic program might take seven months or a year just doing antibiotics, or might take a year and a half just using herbs. I'm okay with whatever journey you choose. I'm just telling you based on my experience, if we do a comprehensive approach and you deal with your psychological and emotional issues like all of us have, you're going to get better faster. So a hybrid approach, I always get better results.
[00:34:44] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. I mean, that's the thing, is that it's not about the bug. Yes, the bug is there, but there's so many other factors to address and consider.
And it is always kind of the terrain that the bug exists within and how the bug responds to that, how aggressive it is, how dormant it is, and how effective the immune system is going to be in controlling it. You know, all these factors are outside of just killing the bug. Yeah. So, yeah, I love kind of that comprehensive aspect.
Anything that you see now, I mean, you see this kind of tool, but compared to 10 years ago, when you're battling for your wife, I mean, how do you feel this field has evolved?
[00:35:37] Speaker D: Yeah, no, that's a good question. I. It's interesting. Like when I go to the Lyme disease conferences now, I find like, obviously the ones that are more medical doctor driven, they're. They're kind of still looking for that silver bullet. They're still looking for that. Oh, you know, if we use this Dapsone now as a, you know, in a low dose, pulse dose, which was Horowitz just recently published and presented on, you know, it's better, it's a better response rate, it's whatever, you know. And I find honestly, like kind of going back to what we had said previously is I find that it's the underlying issues that leaves people predisposed to not being able to fight the bug off in the first place. And so it's great to keep searching for the perfect drug or the perfect vaccine. That's good. But the issue is, is that in today's society and how we live, we don't live properly, Many of us don't eat properly, we don't think properly, you don't sleep properly. Properly. We don't, we don't, we don't have proper relationships with people in our world too. And so I find that, you know, how if your body and your life is not in harmony, which, trust me, mine is not perfect, how does your body expect to, to function in a high functioning way? And so that's why, you know, when we go back to this, we say, I think, you know, I, I'm more leaning towards those natural and holistic therapies as a long, long term solution to these issues, not only to Lyme disease, but any other health issue that they're going to have in the future. Because if we can underline what the underlying dysfunction is, like you said, address the terrain, look at the toxicity issues, look at mental toxicity issues, those kinds of things, then that person is going to have this shield over them that is going to protect them from everything moving forward in the future. And so antibiotics important, yes. Scientific discovery is important, yes. But what has happened in the last 10 years is we've realized just how important all that underlying stuff and how much more important the underlying stuff is compared to just picking the right drug.
[00:37:36] Speaker B: Yeah, I Love that. Well, Dr. Bashovic, thank you so much for what you're doing and I'm really intrigued by this, this ayurvedic solution and I know a lot of listeners are as well.
So what would be the best way for people to learn more about this?
[00:37:57] Speaker D: Yeah, thanks again. I don't have any profit in this at all. I'm just, I'm just enjoying the ride because I, I don't often get to do research in my field and have somebody supply me stuff for free.
But if they want information on the product, they can go to sellwell.com which is C-E-L W E L.com that will have all the information on the herbs, the, the roots, all of that stuff. I mean, you can research it outside of that, but CellWell c e l W-E-L.com that's where you can get information on at least this, this thing that I'm working on right now.
[00:38:37] Speaker B: I love it, Love it. Well, thank you so much for, for what, what you do for people and the impact you have. And, and I'm glad both your, your daughter and wife that they, that they're, they're swinging and doing well.
[00:38:49] Speaker D: Thank you so much. I appreciate the opportunity to talk.
[00:38:52] Speaker B: Yeah, thank you.
[00:38:54] Speaker D: Thank you.
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