Episode Transcript
[00:00:01] Speaker A: Welcome back to Integrative Lime Solutions with Dr. Carl Feld.
[00:00:05] Speaker B: I am so excited about the show that we have ahead of us. We have some phenomenal information that could save lives. I am Dr. Michael Carlfelt, and with.
[00:00:16] Speaker A: Me, I have my co host, Tanya Hobo.
[00:00:19] Speaker B: You're going to need to tune in to what's going on today. The information is unpacked, so, yeah, don't step away.
[00:00:29] Speaker C: So excited. Let's go ahead and get this started.
Welcome to Integrative lyme Solutions with Dr. Carl Felt. And today I'm excited to have our guest, Dr. Tara Calmas norgard, as I believe I got it right, she was previously in. She's a doctor of neurology and also in pain management. And because of her Lyme journey, she is now into a more functional medicine healing clinic. So we're excited to have you and hear your story and then hear what you're doing out there in the world for the Lyme community. So thanks so much for joining us.
[00:01:18] Speaker D: Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate the invitation and the chance to share my story.
[00:01:27] Speaker B: It was not just patients coming to you, but were you impacted by Lyme yourself as well?
[00:01:32] Speaker D: Yes.
[00:01:34] Speaker C: Doesn't that make it double good?
[00:01:35] Speaker D: Right?
[00:01:36] Speaker B: I know we get to really get into the neurological aspect from both angles. That's amazing.
[00:01:44] Speaker D: Yes.
And when I was working in neurology, before I got into functional medicine, I really did feel like there was something I was missing. I would see these patients with different neurological conditions and just be pushed by them, be pushed by my own curiosity. Like, what else are we missing here?
Now? I feel like once I started getting into functional medicine, I was led down this journey of actually finding some answers to those questions that I had and my patients had, too.
[00:02:20] Speaker C: I know you could probably think back and think, oh, my gosh, all these people had Lyme. I need to go find them and tell them, right?
[00:02:27] Speaker D: Yes. I wish I could.
[00:02:29] Speaker B: So here you are in neurology, and then all of a sudden, what kind of symptoms were you starting to experience that you didn't have solutions for quite yet you didn't understand?
[00:02:40] Speaker D: Yeah. So me personally, I was having headaches and fatigue and body aches.
And then after the birth of my first child, I developed an autoimmune condition and not really getting much help as to what caused it or what I could do about it. Just take this medication for the rest of your life, and that's it.
And so I was having these symptoms and just living with them, not necessarily knowing what the underlying cause of them was.
Lyme and molds and co infections really didn't come into my radar until I started really digging deep into functional medicine.
I wasn't even aware that I was having these underlying infections that were causing such a big problem in my body until I got into functional medicine.
[00:03:37] Speaker B: So you went in that direction, kind of on your own, it was not really your disease journey.
[00:03:43] Speaker D: Yeah, so actually, it was because the patients that I were seeing so I was working in a neurology clinic, seeing lots of headache, migraine patients, Ms, seizures, Alzheimer's. I was mainly seeing headache patients and migraine patients. And a lot of these patients were disabled because of their conditions. And they just kept pushing me. They're saying, there's got to be something else. When my answer was, we have to wait for the next drug to come out, I just got really frustrated.
And so I just kept looking. I kept looking for answers. And a nurse in another department kind of knew that my interest was more natural, more integrative, and she said, I just started training in functional medicine. I think you would really be interested in this. And so that's when I started looking into it, and I started attending trainings through the Institute of Functional Medicine.
And that's kind of when I started to be trained in root cause and understand that there were way more things that we needed to look at with these neurological conditions that I had ever been taught in the conventional setting.
[00:05:02] Speaker C: And so when you got introduced to this, were you already having symptoms?
[00:05:08] Speaker D: Yes.
[00:05:09] Speaker C: So you were having issues. Wow, what a coincidence. Kind of good timing, right?
[00:05:13] Speaker D: Yeah, absolutely.
I've been having symptoms for years, actually, probably my whole life, pretty much up to that point. So once I started digging deep and tested myself for tick borne infections, that's kind of when the light bulb kind of came on, like, oh, yeah, I think this is what might be going on here.
[00:05:44] Speaker B: There's so many directions you can go in functional medicine optimizing your endocrine system, your nutritional, all these possible directions. So why did you then start to think, well, I should test this component?
[00:06:00] Speaker D: Yeah, that's a good question. So when I first started working in functional medicine, I worked in a clinic that attracted a very chronically ill population.
The nurse practitioner that founded the clinic was really she had her own personal journey and was seeing a lot of autistic patients, pans and pandas patients. And so the chronic, really sick people is what was attracted to this practice. And so I had to jump right in and yes, absolutely. Gut hormones, nutrients, toxins. But really important for the population that she was seeing was also addressing these infections, not necessarily that do. I think everybody potentially needs to address infections. They might be okay with addressing the gut, nutrition, lifestyle, and then they're good. But the patients that she was seeing and then therefore that I was also getting trained on and seeing were very complicated. So I inherited a lot of Alzheimer's disease patients as well from another practitioner who was there and kind of took a step back.
But by neurological background, that definitely made sense. But I was just getting trained in functional medicine. But I just kind of took a deep dive in.
So that's kind of why I ended up looking at those infections, is because I was trained in this modality to be looking at these things.
[00:07:38] Speaker B: And I'm curious, which test did you run? Like the vibrant tick born.
[00:07:43] Speaker D: Yeah, I ran a Vibrant Tick Born 1.0 on myself and on my family as well. But that was a test that came back positive for a few things, and I wasn't surprised. Based on what I'd been seeing in clinic and their symptoms, it is really fortunate that I kind of got put down this path, especially for my family. I think that I can definitely see a completely different path for myself and my kids if I had not known to be looking at these underlying causes.
[00:08:23] Speaker B: So when you tested them as well, they also exhibited or they also tested positive, and were there symptoms that you could correlate?
[00:08:35] Speaker D: Yes, but all of them kind of different. None of us really had the same picture, and that's what I see. When I was treating at this clinic, I would very often be seeing family members, seeing the parents and the kids. And so it really complicates getting diagnoses when everybody is having something slightly different.
For us, mold was also a big issue. I had no idea that our house had mold. And so once we also went down that route and took care of the mold in the house and then took care of the infections, that's when everybody just started to get better, everybody became happy.
[00:09:18] Speaker C: This really sad family. Yeah, no, and it is. Because when you first initially said when you were doing neurology all you listed all these things. I'm like, oh, that all sounds like Lyme.
And a lot of us do have a lot of the same symptoms, but we can also have a lot of different so that's interesting that all three of your kids had different symptoms from one another. None of them really overlapped.
[00:09:48] Speaker D: They did.
My oldest had recurrent strep infections, and he had ear infections.
That's what I think was maybe more of the mold kind of coming through and infecting the immune system. But where I think the Lyme maybe came into play was he was very young. So we're kind of years past this now, and everybody's good and healthy. But when he was very young and he would come into my room crying, saying about these really intrusive thoughts, and he's like kindergarten age coming up to me and talking about these really intrusive thoughts that are coming into his head that he just can't stop.
Wow.
When you first hear that, you're trying not to cry because you're so sad that your child is suffering.
And that's one of those places where I think about the path we could have gone down, because if I would have taken him to his primary care and at that point, I knew enough to where I could test him for these things and treat him for these things. And I had an amazing pediatric nurse practitioner who I was working with that I could also run things by her, too.
And then once we started treating him, those intrusive thoughts kind of melted away and luckily have not returned.
[00:11:19] Speaker C: Oh, thank goodness. But, no, you're absolutely right.
He could be living a totally different life than he is now, than a healthy child, had you not been familiar with it or able to kind of take things into your hands. Not saying that maybe they never would have figured it out, but, boy, this certainly made it a lot easier for them.
[00:11:42] Speaker D: It did, yes. I feel really empowered as a mother to be able to help out in these situations.
His situation was different than my other two as well.
[00:11:56] Speaker B: And that's the thing, is that if you would have gone the other path, kind of like what you're seeing in your prior work environment, is that you're just kind of managing symptoms. So now he's having these intrusive thoughts, antidepressant or anti anxiety.
So then you would go in that direction, and now we're dealing just with management and not addressing the root cause.
That's why this becomes so important, to kind of dig deeper instead of just kind of feeling good with just managing symptoms.
[00:12:33] Speaker D: Yeah, I totally agree.
[00:12:37] Speaker B: And what is fascinating also, so your children, when you tested them, they all showed different infections, co infections, or did.
[00:12:47] Speaker D: They all show the same yeah, Lyme was present, but also Strep. Like I'd mentioned, my oldest did have chronic strep infections, but then you're testing for strep antibodies. At least that's what I've been trained to do, to look for more of this chronic strep, maybe a pandas picture.
And so Strep was present. Lyme was present.
Bartonella was present, I think for one of them, babesia, for another.
[00:13:19] Speaker B: Yeah, because we all have different infections in us, but it depends on kind of the terrain that exists within us, which one that manifests the most and which one that react to the most. So it is interesting we have people that in the same environment, same mother, probably they came from the same location, but they're then exhibiting different type of co infections depending because they're all individualized, their terrain is a little different.
[00:13:50] Speaker D: Yes, absolutely. Yeah. My youngest had kind of the benefit of me being trained in functional medicine for her, kind of right from the start.
So she had completely different symptoms. And also the mold exposure that I had referred to earlier was taken care of kind of by the time she came along. So she has a different set of symptoms from the start and then a different kind of outcome.
Definitely didn't have to be as aggressive with her because she didn't have as much going on.
[00:14:27] Speaker B: Where do you feel kind of looking back? Because you said you had these symptoms for a long time, where do you think it would have started?
[00:14:36] Speaker D: Yeah, that's a good question.
Honestly, I think that looking at my mother's health, I think it's definitely a possibility that I could have gotten these in utero.
I grew up in the Midwest, and so outdoors, a mean around horses, around dogs, and so definitely could have been a bug bite that I wasn't aware of when I was in high school. I definitely had a couple ticks that I can remember going camping in the weekends. And so I don't know for sure, but I have a suspicion that it has been there for a while.
[00:15:14] Speaker B: Plenty of opportunity.
Yeah.
[00:15:18] Speaker C: So then once you figured out that this is what you have, so then where did you go? Like, you're already in this. I'm going to treat myself. Right.
[00:15:27] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:15:28] Speaker C: So what did you turn to?
[00:15:30] Speaker D: Yeah, so at first, I was really doing a lot of kind of starting out with gut work, starting out with nutrients, because I was breastfeeding at the time. And so I decided that I was going to continue breastfeeding and I was going to avoid things that I was not 100% positive were safe in breastfeeding. So I did use some Homeopathies, though, because that were targeted at lyme and co infections, because I definitely wanted to get something on board, but I don't think that it was a bad thing to also address gut nutrients, toxins as well.
And then once I was done breastfeeding, then I did kind of a regimen that included both antibiotics and herbals, as well as supporting my drainage pathways and detox pathways to help manage any sort of herc symptoms and just kind of listening to my body and also kind of with my clinical experience, to know when something had kind of run its course, done, what it was going to do to switch to something else. And then you kind of do that until you're feeling like there's really not a lot much else from an antimicrobial standpoint that you need to do because symptoms are much better.
[00:17:03] Speaker C: Okay, so I'm glad you mentioned that because I hear this a lot. So you say do something until you feel it to run its course.
So is there any advice you can give to the listeners for those that are it's almost like a black and a white. Like they start something, if that thing don't work in a week, they're done, or they'll start something and they'll be on it for six months and it's done nothing and they're still on it. So it's like there's kind of never really that happy medium. It's either way far left or way far right. So how did you figure out when something either wasn't working or has ran a course?
[00:17:46] Speaker D: Sure. So, I mean, I usually will give something as long as there's not a negative side effect. I usually will say ask somebody to give something one to three months, and that might vary just depending on what we're doing.
But give something one to three months, and if in that time you're either not feeling any better or you're feeling a lot worse, then we're going to pick apart what that means. If you're not feeling any better, it's probably not doing much for you or your body's not ready for that. If you're feeling a lot worse, are we killing something off or is your body not ready for it? I think it really depends to me, based on what the patient is reporting in regards to benefit versus side effects, and if those side effects are more consistent with the hercs, like flaring up something that they have, or more consistent with detox pathways not being open and having to address that.
I think self awareness is really important on this journey. I think I've seen patients that have a lot of self awareness all the way to patients that just say, you know what? I have no idea. You just have to tell me what to do. The patients that are self aware, I think they either get an intuition about these things sometimes. I mean, I definitely listen if somebody tells me that they have any sort of intuition about whether or not something's working for them or whether or not they want to try something or avoid something. I tell patients to listen to their intuition because it's just such an individualized journey.
I think muscle testing is something that some patients find helpful, some patients don't. So that's something that's a tool that we could potentially use. But ultimately, I think it's honing that intuition and honing the self awareness that's probably going to be the most helpful in deciding whether something's run its course or not.
[00:19:54] Speaker C: Yeah, and that makes sense. And I think the one to three months is a good time frame. And you mentioned this too, that just because something didn't work the first time doesn't mean you can't bring it back into reintroduce it six months down the road or a year down the road. Exactly. Because I've talked to people and they're like, yeah, I bought all this stuff and none of it works, and now it's a waste. I'm like, no, don't throw it away. You never know when you can reintroduce it. And it could be the ticket for you. It just wasn't right now.
[00:20:27] Speaker D: Yeah, I guess that's one of the things that I really enjoy about this type of practice, is that you're always going to be learning, and I enjoy helping a patient on their individual journey.
For me, there's no cookie cutter approach to any patient.
[00:20:51] Speaker C: Exactly right.
[00:20:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
You worked on the gut. You worked then on kind of the general, just kind of building up your system.
That's what you did with you. But then when patients come to you, what is usually your strategy, your formula, and kind of step by step how to address this?
[00:21:14] Speaker D: Yeah, I guess a lot of the patients who come to me have I'm not their first stop, I'm not the first functional medicine provider that they've seen.
A lot of them have seen also all the conventional specialists that their symptoms kind of warranted a consult from. Right. But I'm not usually their first functional medicine staff either. And so usually they come to me and they say, yes, I had a GI Map or GI effects, and I addressed the gut and I did a parasite cleanse. And because there was a parasite there, so I did a parasite cleanse. I had a neutral, and I'm taking the vitamins that I said that the Nutrival showed that I was deficient in.
They usually have done some of that groundwork already. I'm doing an autoimmune paleo diet because I have Hashimoto's.
That's the typical patient. That somebody who's already kind of done some of that foundational work, which is really important. Do you think that you can skip that stuff? For most people, and I think that.
[00:22:24] Speaker C: Could definitely have been a benefit for you to have these patients coming in, being a little familiar with it, versus having somebody come in and going, what are you talking about? This is all crazy stuff. Yeah.
[00:22:39] Speaker D: There is a patient occasionally that hasn't done those things, and then we need to have a discussion about where we start. But most of the time they're coming to me having done some of that foundational work. And so then we're jumping right in and saying, okay, well, we talk about their exposure history, whether they're aware of it or not, of mold or other toxins, and then consider testing for tick borne infections.
Mine being the great mimicker. Almost any symptom that somebody reports, you could say, oh, that could be lying. That could be lying.
In order for me to treat it aggressively, we have to have symptoms that are consistent with what potentially the test is showing and patient desire to be aggressive and do this.
Yes. So that's usually the approach that I take. I'm usually checking with a Vibrant just because I've also used Igenics in the past, and I've used a couple of other, like, a PCR, a urine PCR. It's escaping me right now what lab that was through. I've used a lot over the years.
Right now, the Vibrant tick born 1.0 seems to be the biggest bang for your buck. You get a lot of different co infections with that.
So that's the test I'm mainly using.
[00:24:05] Speaker C: Okay, I'm glad you said that, because I still think that Igenics is kind of the biggest one that everybody talks about.
So it's nice to have another option too.
[00:24:16] Speaker D: I do think it's great. It's just to get all the co infections as well.
And potentially things are changing, and maybe that will change in the future. But from last time I looked into it, it was much more expensive to try to get a full picture of what's going on.
[00:24:36] Speaker C: You're right, Jen.
[00:24:36] Speaker D: I just don't want to miss anything. I just don't want to miss a big thing that's impacting their health.
[00:24:45] Speaker B: And in regards to mold, which lab do you like there?
[00:24:53] Speaker D: Great Plains was kind of what I grew up with in the functional medicine sense, although I've used real time and I've also used the Vibrant panel because they also offer a discount if you do the Tick Born 1.0 and the Mycotoxin panel together.
If somebody has not had a Great Planes test in the past that we're trying to compare it to, I might do the Vibrant Mycotoxin as well.
[00:25:23] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm curious because in your prior profession, then you had all these Alzheimer's patients and then you inherited more Alzheimer's patients when you got here, and now you're in your kind of functional medicine mindset.
What did you see? Were some of the underlying factors? Were you seeing Lyme in them as well?
[00:25:50] Speaker D: Yes, absolutely. Lyme and mold.
I did go through training with the Bretison Protocol and the Recode protocol.
And so with that, there are pillars that you kind of look at with these patients. It's very similar to how we would work up an Autistic patient as well in the clinic that I was working in. It's like you got to kind of look at everything because the disease at that point is very deep. It's not going to be a one thing that you address and then it's gone.
So, yes, reoccurring themes that I would see were for Alzheimer's in particular, were Lyme disease, mold, hormone imbalance, and gut gut dysbiosis, gut imbalance.
You kind of see it all with those patients, but that definitely was a reoccurring theme. Like, you're like, oh, this is positive for this. And almost all of the Alzheimer's patients that I personally were seeing in testing were coming up positive for borealo burgodorphy in particular.
[00:27:02] Speaker B: Yes. It's just fascinating to me, I mean, how people just kind of say, well, I'm getting older, so dementia just becomes something that they feel that they really can't do anything about. It's just a process that moves forward and there are no intervention points that you have and then looking like you're saying looking at these different components and addressing them, you can then change the outlook and change a disease picture tremendously.
[00:27:34] Speaker D: Yeah. Especially if you're starting at subjective cognitive impairment or mild cognitive impairment with a committed patient that is not going to be as long of a journey or as arduous of a journey as if you're dealing with moderate to severe dementia.
But many times you can halt disease progression by addressing the main issues as well. So that's also huge. I mean, that's not something that you're told when you go to your conventional neurologist, you're told this is a progressive disease that is not curable.
And I'm certainly not saying that every single case is curable, but I think that from the work that I've done that I've seen that I've researched, if you get it early enough, then the patient is committed enough to stick with a program. Kind of what I'm saying. Not that they don't want to get better, but they have to be capable of complying with the program. And so those two things, really you'll see that halt in progression, that you see that first and then you start to see the decline in symptoms.
[00:29:00] Speaker B: As a neurologist, this is such a treat. So as a neurologist, then, how would you describe Lyme impacting a person's neurology?
[00:29:12] Speaker D: Yeah, typically what I see is that it's getting into the neurological system, it's getting into your nerves. And so, yes, we do see the soft tissue complaints and getting into muscles and soft tissue, tendons, ligaments, but it's also getting into your nerves, in your nervous system, crossing over the blood brain barrier as well. And so that's where we start getting these brain based symptoms like fatigue, pain, depression, anxiety, brain fog, memory issues in general is because it is actually getting into the nervous system.
The Lyme itself is getting into the nervous system.
And yes, by the time you have something like Alzheimer's, it is pretty deep. And so you're going to have to be probably pretty aggressive with all of the pillars of health to get to where you see symptom improvement.
[00:30:14] Speaker C: So it is really a special treat to have a neurologist. Right. So I have a question for you, which is something that I had and I know a lot of other people did. So would that be in the nervous system when you have electrical shooting pains in your body? That would be right, yeah.
[00:30:38] Speaker D: I do see that with mold. And I think that the combination of mold and infections, I just kind of allowing those infections to dig deeper into the neurological system.
Yes, I think that with sharpshooting kind of stabbing pains yeah.
[00:30:57] Speaker C: I would just be sitting there watching TV or something, and then all of a sudden, it's like somebody stuck my finger in the light socket and it just shook my whole leg or my arm. And I'm just like, what in the world is that? It's a really crazy feeling. It doesn't necessarily hurt really bad. It doesn't feel great, but it's more of a like, oh, my gosh, what is wrong with me?
[00:31:19] Speaker D: Yeah. Along with the neurological background, I also worked in pain management as well, before I got into neurology. And so I would study pain. I would study where is pain coming from? Why do we have pain?
Why can we have somebody with an MRI that looks exactly like somebody else and this person be disabled?
Same sex, same age, same kind of history. Right. And this MRI, and this person is disabled, and this person says they're fine, they have absolutely no pain.
And so looking into how your body is trying to tell you that there's something up, you have pain usually for a reason. You have symptoms usually for a reason.
In the conventional setting, we're kind of told that we should try to ignore these things and just try to get on with our life. And for some people, that might work, but for some people, especially those with more of a sensitive nervous system, it's not going to work.
Your body will find another way to tell you you need to pay attention to this. And so although it's not necessarily acutely life threatening, your body still wants you to pay attention to it. So I do think that some of how they can be migrating symptoms with Lyme, it's like there is something there that your brain is saying, you need to pay attention to this, and your brain gets you to pay attention to it by causing symptoms.
It can be pain, numbness and tingling pressure.
Itching your body can get kind of creative as to how it wants you to pay attention to these things.
Definitely there's an argument to be made that that's not maybe the most helpful way that your body could be trying to alert you to this, but it's definitely a way that your body is trying to tell you, please pay attention to this in some way or form and take care of it.
[00:33:34] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. Those pain signals, they do kind of make sure that you do pay attention.
[00:33:42] Speaker C: Kind of wake me up or something.
[00:33:44] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:33:44] Speaker B: You notice them, right?
[00:33:45] Speaker C: Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Now, for a long time, though, nobody could they thought I was crazy. And I'm like, no, seriously, does that not happen to you? And people are like, I don't know.
[00:33:57] Speaker B: What you're talking about, lady, and talked a little bit about blood brain barrier, because that's supposed to be such a protective area and supposed to protect the brain from infections. And how do infections then get in there if it's such a protected area?
[00:34:17] Speaker D: Yeah. So the blood brain barrier can just like the gut, we also have a barrier in our gut, and the gut and the brain are connected. We kind of know this, right?
It's definitely a lot more information in the past few years than I've seen in decade prior as to this gut brain connection. And so the blood brain barrier can be disturbed and opened just as the gut barrier can. Like you've heard of leaky gut, it's definitely more of a buzword leaky gut. It's very similar in that it's supposed to be really tight junctions, but it's loose. And so then things in our gut can get squeezed through these openings and get into the bloodstream. So it's the same with the brain. So there's a brain barrier that, again, is supposed to have really tight junctions, but there are things that can happen. So if your gut barrier is open, your brain barrier, your brain barrier is open as well, and vice versa. There are lots of things that can cause this, like brain injury, head injury, poor. Diet, lots of things that can kind of cause the gut barrier to be open, that then your brain barrier is open. And infections that are floating around either in your body, in your blood, or in your mouth, there's definitely been a connection looked at in certain bacteria in your mouth being able to get into your brain when your brain barrier is open.
And your brain tends to not want these infections present. And so it's another protective mechanism trying to protect you. So if an infection gets into the brain, then again, your body wants you to know. And two, your body is trying to protect yourself. So sometimes from my studies, that's one of the things that can cause amyloid plaques in Alzheimer's, for example, is these infections that are in the brain that crossed over the blood brain barrier when things were open. And your brain is trying to protect you from them by kind of encasing them in plaque.
[00:36:29] Speaker B: So, as Sammy said, that then it's not really then the amyloid plaque that is causing the dementia or causing the Alzheimer's. So if you would just go after find a drug to get rid of the amyloid plaque, you've really not gone after the root cause, which are the infections that the body is trying to protect itself from. Using amyloid plaque to protect itself.
[00:36:56] Speaker D: Yes, for sure.
[00:37:00] Speaker C: There's so much talk about gut health. We've got to fix our gut. Like that's kind of the root of everything. I didn't know that if the barrier in your gut is open, the barrier in your brain is open. Did not have a clue about that. So I'm really glad that you mentioned that. Just one more reason to really protect your gut.
[00:37:23] Speaker D: Yes.
I also happen to see lots of brain injury patients, not necessarily traumatic brain injuries, but concussion, history of Whiplash concussion. And that sometimes can be where things started going wrong, even neurologically, even with a minor concussion, because that gut barrier is open along with the brain barrier after a concussion.
[00:37:53] Speaker C: Interesting.
I love learning something new every day.
[00:37:57] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:37:57] Speaker B: And it is fascinating. When you have a trauma in an area, it tends to be because that becomes a weaker area in itself. And so pathogens tend to gravitate towards that area and heavy metals and things.
So you have the injury that you need to heal, but now you get a soup of infections and things you got to deal with there as well. So you get to hit it from all angles at the same time.
[00:38:25] Speaker D: Yes.
And the brain based symptoms that I was referring to earlier, they definitely can be more tricky to treat, but they also make a huge impact when you figure out what's going on and treat them.
[00:38:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
Fascinating.
[00:38:47] Speaker C: Wow. So we've got a healthy doctor now. We've got healthy three kids.
I'm assuming your husband was all good. Husband never had lyme.
[00:38:57] Speaker D: Yeah, he didn't necessarily have symptoms that he was recognizing as symptoms, we'll say that I did test him and so he did do some treatment. He was willing to do herbs and things like that just as a let's try to prevent this from maybe becoming an issue in the future. That's not for everybody. I don't necessarily say that everybody needs to be treated. In a perfect world, we wouldn't have these diseases. But once you find them, you kind of go, well, do I want to wait until you get a concussion and then it's a problem? Or do I want to wait until we get mold exposure and then it's a problem?
And then it's a problem?
[00:39:42] Speaker C: Yeah, COVID for sure. Right. And I always say wellness is so much cheaper than illness.
Not just your pocketbook, but then you don't have to be sick for however long it takes for somebody to get better from something.
[00:39:57] Speaker D: Exactly.
[00:39:57] Speaker B: Yeah. If you test for I mean, even though you're not symptomatic and you run this test and you see these different infections that are there so currently your immune system may be strong enough. Your endocrine system may be strong enough to not be symptomatic and you wouldn't really recognize that infections are there. But how much better would it be than to treat those infections when you're in a strong spot utilizing strong endocrine system and immune system while battling these infection and getting rid of them rather than being exhausted, in pain, confused, brain gone, can't remember where home is and then try to treat mean the better is the first option obviously yeah, right.
[00:40:51] Speaker C: Absolutely.
[00:40:52] Speaker D: For sure. I do. Yeah, I agree.
[00:40:55] Speaker B: Well, Dr. Tara has been such a or Dr. Norgard, I should say the.
[00:41:02] Speaker C: Harder one since I know I already got permission prior to the show. Is it okay to call you Dr. Tara? Because I wasn't sure I was going to get that name right.
[00:41:11] Speaker D: That's how my patients address me as well, so dr. Tara.
[00:41:14] Speaker B: Dr. Tara. Okay, good.
[00:41:15] Speaker C: And then we just call him Dr. K because his last name is so long that it just is awesome.
[00:41:23] Speaker B: Well, it's been such a pleasure having you here and thank you so much for all the things that you're doing and helping people going through very challenging situations. So thank you so much.
[00:41:34] Speaker D: Well, thank you for having me. I appreciate it a lot.
[00:41:38] Speaker C: Yeah, we so appreciate you. It's extra special to have, well, the neurologist, right. The pain management, but to have a doctor and a lyme patient at the same time. So it's fun to listen to how you treated it and obviously you treated it the way you treat your patients. We had a guest in the past that learned the hard way they treated themselves, but now they don't treat their patients that way. So it's just interesting to hear all the different avenues of it. So we really appreciate what you're doing. We're going to put your website and your link in the title for you so people can reach out if they would like to. Oh, you know what did we want to talk real quickly about your.
[00:42:20] Speaker D: I.
[00:42:21] Speaker C: Already forgot what it was called, the program that you yes.
[00:42:27] Speaker D: So there is an online platform, membership based pilot program going on right now with a company called Ravel. So R-A-V-E-L. Their mission is really to provide cost effective and effective treatment.
They really are targeting Lyme and co infections in the future, wanting to maybe target also long haul COVID.
So they're in their pilot program right now. It's a membership based so you get kind of this community. You get resources, online resources. It is all telehealth and all online, but there's a membership that's affordable per month. And you do get FaceTime with a provider just depending on what kind of level of membership you're using. Again, in the pilot program right now. But they're dedicated.
There's definitely very motivated and committed people working on this project to continue to roll it out until it's no longer on a pilot.
[00:43:33] Speaker C: Yeah. That's awesome. And I just think the more doctors involved, you can't go wrong, right. To have different everybody has kind of their specialty, and so some people may be more familiar with this part of it versus that part of it. So I love the collaboration of different doctors that are able to work together like that.
[00:43:54] Speaker D: Yeah, I've enjoyed it.
I think that it'll be a success and that it will help a lot of people.
[00:44:04] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:04] Speaker C: Awesome.
[00:44:05] Speaker D: I agree.
[00:44:05] Speaker B: That sounds really cool.
[00:44:07] Speaker C: Yes. Well, thank you again so much for your time. We appreciate you so much.
[00:44:11] Speaker D: Thank you. Let's hopefully you guys have a good Thanksgiving.
[00:44:14] Speaker B: Thanks so much.
[00:44:14] Speaker C: You too.
[00:44:15] Speaker B: Thanks, Paula.
[00:44:16] Speaker C: Bye bye.
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