Episode Transcript
[00:00:01] Speaker A: Welcome back to Integrative lyme Solutions with Dr. Karl Feldt.
[00:00:05] Speaker B: I am so excited about the show.
[00:00:07] Speaker A: That we have ahead of us.
[00:00:08] Speaker B: We have some phenomenal information that could save lives.
[00:00:13] Speaker C: You're gonna need to tune in to what's going on today.
[00:00:16] Speaker D: The information is jam packed, so don't step away.
[00:00:24] Speaker B: Hello.
[00:00:24] Speaker C: Thank you so much for joining Integrative lyme Solutions with Dr. Karlfeld. I am your host, Dr. Michael Karl Fe. I've been in clinical practice since 1987. I've seen pretty much everything under the sun, worked with so many different Lyme patients, and I know what a devastating disease this is. That's why I'm doing this podcast to make sure that you are armed with the information that you need in order to be able to be successful in your struggle with Lyme. We'll be featuring authors, doctors, professors, and also people like yourself that have gone through the journey that you're going through, that have been where you've been and is now on the other side. And they get to tell their victorious story as to how they battle Lyme so that you can implement that in your life as well. Be sure to like us and write a review on whichever platform that you're listening on. What that does is it enables other people to see us more so that they have access to this information as well. So I'm so excited that you're tuning in and get ready for this upcoming show. It is going to be amazing. Well, I'm excited to have both David and Tracy Petroviak with me today. They are good friends and they. You guys have gone through quite a journey, both of you, and I'm excited to. To chat about it, but thank you so much for. For being with me here today.
[00:01:58] Speaker B: You're welcome, of course.
[00:02:00] Speaker C: So, yeah, tell me. I mean, Lime, that that has been a. Something that you guys both have battled with and. And yeah. Do you mind telling me a little bit about the background and when you think that it started and. And kind of what. What the journeys look like?
[00:02:19] Speaker B: Sure. Tracy, do you want to go?
[00:02:22] Speaker E: Sure. I would say with mine. I got mine. I'm thinking by the time we kind of figured everything out, probably around the time I was like, around four or five, I got it when I was at my grandfather's house, when we. Or up at his cabin, and I didn't know I had it for my entire life, but I had a lot of health issues.
It would always go up and go back down and go up and go back down, and they said I had Five almost. They said it was all in my head. They said just a numerous things that it all ended up being just Lyme the whole time. And at that point I, you know, we had no idea what Lyme was. And then lo and behold, you get a whole bunch of CO factors coming in there and you get all these CO infections. And then when Dave and I met, he didn't know he had Lyme and his CO infections. And when we got together, we shared them.
[00:03:12] Speaker C: Isn't that joyous? Yeah. When you're a couple, how you kind of. It's not only just kind of your.
That you share the house, but you know, your biome and everything else you get to be part of. So, yeah, you truly become one.
[00:03:29] Speaker B: Yes, that's for sure.
[00:03:31] Speaker C: So when did you first understand that you were battling Lyme? When did that first come into your. Into the picture, your consciousness?
[00:03:44] Speaker E: Go ahead, Dave.
[00:03:46] Speaker B: You said what?
[00:03:47] Speaker E: Go ahead.
[00:03:48] Speaker B: So Tracy and I had gotten married and we both got sicker and sicker and couldn't figure out why. We were looking for answers anywhere and. And the allopathic medical system had given up on both of us and just kind of shrugged and said, well, you know, you don't have much time to live. And I was given two years to live by a local MD who said my kidneys and liver were failing. And he said he would figure it out and let me know. And he was actually kind of semi related. So we knew each other very well. And a year later he just shook his head and said, I don't know what to tell you, but you're going to die. You got about a year left. So I set to doing all the research I could. And we went and saw anybody and everybody that we could find or that we heard about that that had any insight on unique and difficult health problems. And we ended up finding a lady off the ILADS system, which is International Lyme and Associated Disease Society down in the Salt Lake City area. And we went down and saw her and she did a big blood panel and came back with all these markers and said we definitely had Lyme disease with Babesia and Borrelia.
And I think there were a few others. And our labs, our hormones, our everything about our body was way out of whack. So that started us on a path to heal. Now that we knew what the problem was, we started worrying about how to solve it and looking for people who understood it. And it's a really, really difficult thing to find somebody who understands it. And we found a number of people who Said they were the authority on Lyme, you know, west of the Mississippi kind of thing. And it turned out they had Lyme and couldn't heal their own.
So there were a lot of people pushing stories that weren't exactly true. And eventually, once we. We had studied enough to really understand Lyme, we knew the right questions asked, and the therapies that were offered to us by the clinic in Salt Lake were incredibly expensive. Would have been in the order of buying a house. We didn't have that kind of available cash because we weren't very productive. Being sick with Lyme disease, it just beats you up. You don't have any energy, and sometimes your brain won't work. So we eventually found out about several different clinics over time and went and got help. And we saw at that time, we had done everything you could possibly do on your own. We stopped using fluoride toothpaste, stop using deodorants with aluminum oxide. Stopped. Stopped doing everything that was diminishing our immune system. And we were doing the right things. And we found a clinic, and we did a number of different therapies, and we were, well, pretty quick.
[00:06:20] Speaker C: That's incredible. So first, how did you said this doctor in South Lake Ilads. Doctor. What made you think to meet with that person? I mean, was that just kind of, let's try and see if it's Lyme, or did you just go to the doctor and the doctor happened to be an authority in that area?
[00:06:45] Speaker B: It's a little bit of a modern story. So I was pretty much at that point, incapacitated. I. I could stay awake for about two hours, and I had to sleep for four or five or six hours. And we figured I was headed for the graveyard.
So during the time that I was awake, I would just study. I would read the Internet, I would type in symptoms. And between Tracy and I, we had about every. Every symptom you can have. And it was like we were 180 years old with all the symptoms we had. And eventually I had typed enough stuff into YouTube and Google that it recommended some videos by a doctor named Richard Horowitz from Upper New York state, who you probably know personally.
And so I started watching all of his videos, most of which were Dr. Centric. So in my limited medical verbiage, I had to stop the video, type in a word, see exactly what it meant. Stop the video, type in a word, see exactly what it meant. And I watched probably well over 500, 600 hours of his doctor symposium videos where he's explaining and his mission at that time had kind of shifted from working with patients to training doctors all over the world. And so there were videos of him speaking in every country I could name. And when he started talking, he started talking about the symptoms and how they work and how they come and go and strange things that otherwise wouldn't make sense. Make sense.
That was an eye opener for me. I had Tracy watch some of the videos or bits and pieces of some of them. I started snipping bits and pieces and we realized what the problem was. And he started, if I understand right, he started the ILADS group. And so we emailed them and they recommend three doctors, two of which were in Seattle, the other one was in Salt Lake. And Ann is actually a practical nurse. She's a nurse practitioner. But there was a doctor in the office that was also on the I lads. And so we went and I. She was by far less expensive. These guys in Seattle wanted an awful lot of money and so we went to see her. And she is incredibly knowledgeable and really helped us, got us on the right track. And then we started looking for ways that we could afford to get the therapies we needed to heal. Yeah, that's kind of how we got there.
[00:09:00] Speaker C: And so how. Yeah, can you kind of both, both you and Tracy just kind of explain really when. When you're at your worst, you know, so people can really understand what that looks like, you know, because there's a lot of people suffering out there and sometimes they, they, they feel that they are the only ones and they don't, you know, they don't think that this is maybe associated with the Lyme disease or Co infections, etc. So if you don't mind, both of you just kind of explaining at your worst where. What did that look like?
[00:09:33] Speaker B: Tracy, go ahead and go for it.
[00:09:34] Speaker E: Okay. Well, at my worst, well, one, my intestines shut down for about two weeks.
I went from a size 5 to a size 15 in 10 days from all the toxicity overload I had. One Lyme was at its worst with all the CO infections and I had Epstein Barr as one of them. That was through the roof.
I could barely stay awake. I never, ever could keep a thought in my head.
I constantly had just roaming pain and random swelling and it was just excruciating, honestly. And in some ways, it's really great that we got to go through it together because we at least knew what each other were feeling. So it made it easier to kind of go through the journey there. But it was also really, really taxing on both of us. I mean, I could sleep for 12 hours and need another 10 hour nap.
It's just like you could. I couldn't ever, ever catch a breath in any way to just feel good or feel normal. And you're just fighting the whole time. You're just. I just felt like I was just kind of going through life as a zombie, just trying to make things happen. But everything hurt. Everything was swollen.
Joint pain off the charts. I also ended up having a lot of what I would call nerve storms all the time. And I would get these. It would feel like lightning going across parts of my body and it would hurt so bad I could barely function. My skin would get so incredibly sensitive. I just. Even having the softest clothes on me hurt. My hair hurt, My eyelashes hurt. I felt like I just wanted to float in air naked and have nothing touch me because it hurt so bad.
It was hard. It was. It was a very challenging time. And I'm very grateful for Dave being so persistent because if it hadn't been for him taking all that time figuring it out, we would have been dead.
I did get a.
We did. The live blood cell analysis is one of the things that we did. And when they looked at the blood, the gal that was looking at, she just kept saying, oh, my God, oh my God, oh my God. And at that point, I was peeing about every 10 minutes because my body was desperately trying to get some toxins out, but. And it was just trashing my kidneys on top of that. But. And finally Dave was like, okay, you need to quit saying that. What does this mean? And she goes, the only other person I've seen that had it look this bad, they died in three weeks.
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[00:14:15] Speaker E: So then it was like, so now what do we do? And it was like, whatever we would have had, if having somebody dance around us and throw chicken blood on us would have fixed us, we would have done it.
You just get to that point where you can. You just, you. You feel so desperate. And then the thing I love the most is when you go to any allopathic doctor or other people, like, well, you don't look sick. I think you like being sick. It's all in your head. And that makes it even more, like, challenging. And like I said, I'm very grateful that I was able to go through it with my husband, because if I had been doing that all on my own and then having medical professionals and other people telling you it's all in your head, it can get really depressing pretty quick because you just feel helpless, but you're in a ton of pain, you don't know why, what's going on. And then you, you do some treatments or you get some supplements or you do, and it makes it better for a little bit, but they don't let you know that Lyme is in so many different forms. So the moment you get your hormones back up and you get. You catch a breath and you feel like, oh, oh, my gosh, I actually have some energy. All that Lyme wakes back up out of. Out of its sleep and eats all that up and you just crash again. And so it's a very up and down, up and down. But luckily it started to keep going up and down. And now, you know, then it went up and then after we did so many different treatments and stuff and we also did stem cells. We've done, we've done a lot. We've probably. And not exaggerate, not exaggerating at all. We've easily done over 5 or 600 IVs just in different versions from NAD to chelation to everything just to get better. And unfortunately too that the things that really work they don't like to make mainstream.
And so unless there was a pill that they could prescribe, they don't really like to tell you much other than it's in your head.
[00:16:15] Speaker C: So did you do any of the antibiotic treatments as well or did you mostly do kind of the, the natural like IVs and, and herbal and, and these type of things and frequency medicine.
[00:16:29] Speaker E: And yeah, mostly it was, we didn't do any of the antibiotics simply because we had already done a study and after antibiotics would actually destroy anything that was left of our gut biome, which we had pretty much none.
And it, so we, we didn't do any, we didn't go down that path. We went down all the alternative. But I mean I've done, you know, hydrogen peroxide IVs I've, and I had dysbiosis really bad because of everything shutting down. And so I've done hydrochloric acid IVs to get rid of the, you know, it. So it was, it was definitely been an interesting ride learning all that. But now, I mean we've been able to help a lot of other people get awareness and be able to actually get help and not, not feel like they're crazy and that there's hope. But it's definitely a rough, a rough road.
[00:17:20] Speaker C: Yeah, it's, it's a tough journey. And David, you kind of have explained a little bit, kind of the worst spot. But if you don't mind kind of expanding a little bit. What, what, what that really looked like, you know, pain wise, cognitive.
Yeah.
[00:17:37] Speaker B: So I was a low birth weight baby. My mother smoked during pregnancy. She had Lyme disease. I know that because my sister has every symptom I had, but she's of the allopathic mindset. So she just keeps going to the doctors again and again that aren't solving any problems and in fact are making her worse. But she just can't get her head wrapped around naturopathy or that it's, you know, the root of medicine and that's what cured people for 20,000 years. So as a young guy, I was very skinny Struggled with illness a lot. And then I'd have a growth spurt and I'd do really well for a while, and then I'd have a crash and then I'd do better and then I'd have a crash. And that was. That was my life up into my 20s.
And somewhere around 19, I started getting better. But I started doing things like I was powerlifting, I was getting a lot of exercise. I'd moved to California on my own, made friends there, had a job, was doing that. And I think the change of location and the allergens and whatnot helped.
And I was very active. And of course that's one of your highest hormone points in your life, so that was helping. And then I would have periods where I couldn't really function, where I couldn't really think straight, where I had zero ambition. And that's odd because I'm mentally, I'm a very ambitious person. I want to help people, I want to make money, I want to do good things. I want to be part of projects where I'm just helping people for nothing. And I. There were times I just couldn't function because I couldn't think straight. Had a buddy who had moved to the Bay area of California. We were buddies in high school and he joined the Coast Guard. And he'd kind of been around the western world and ended up in Alameda. So we spent a lot of time together. And he'd noticed that I was having cognitive issues, that I would say the same thing two and three times or ask the same question.
And I mean, I didn't know what was going on. As a young guy, I was pretty worried.
At one point I had gone to Hawaii and jumped off a waterfall, about a 60 foot high waterfall, about eight, nine times. And I had ingested a little bit of water. I didn't think anything of it.
Later come to find out that Hawaiian people will not step in a puddle of fresh water on the street for fear of the bacterial infections you get. And I got the spirochet.
I have to think of the name liptospirosis. I got leptospira caused me leptospirosis. And that caused me to have irritable bowel syndrome. Bad enough that I couldn't function. And I. For six months I barely left the house. And so that was a cause for alarm. I'd never had anything like that happen to me. And it scared me to death because my body was so compromised. I ended up eating about seven different foods and that's what sustained me. And I Like all kinds of different food. But I was stuck to that. And then I got better, kind of got worse, got better. And Tracy and I met, got married, and once we shared our co infections and each version of Lyme. And I think a lot of people don't know that there are many different versions of Lyme. And so you can get different ones.
It really beat us both down. And I had issues where in the beginning I would have an ankle that was so swollen I couldn't walk, so swollen, so painful and felt like it was exploding from the inside. And an hour or two later that was gone and my neck would hurt or my shoulder. And it was just. I was wondering if I was insane. And I think that's one of the things Lyme people deal with more than anything. You go to these doctors. I had gone to a doctor in my local town here many times, allopathic doctor, and said this, I keep reading about this, and it's got to be some kind of bacterial and or parasitic infection. And he did the Lyme test, the western blot, which I later found out is 8 to 12% accurate on its very best day.
But they did that over and over again. And eventually they called me and they said, we want you to come in. And I went in and they ushered me back to an office I'd never been to. And it had a couch and a big desk and whatnot. And there were three doctors there that I had seen in the same practice. And I said, have a seat. And they said, so we're tired of seeing you now. I was paying my bills, which I found very odd that they didn't, you know, they were upset with me for coming in too often or whatever. I said, they said, you have a mental problem, you don't have a health problem, you like being sick. You, that's your thing. So I, I used to mountain bike. And I used to mountain bike sometimes 80 miles in a day. And when I say 80 miles, it wasn't 80 miles on a flat road. It was 80 miles up and over 7,000 foot mountains, down and over another four, five, 6,000 foot mountain and back to a place where we'd eat lunch and then we'd bike home.
That was a very common occurrence. I loved that. I loved being in the mountains, loved being on the bike. And it was a brutal workout I don't think most people could do. But I was capable for a while and I missed that. That was my joy and my happiness out in the wilderness. And I could no longer really leave the house for Months because of my condition. So Tracy and I met, got together, and we started sharing, and we had massive health problems. Come on, quick. And it was so confusing. And when you go to the doctors, they just tell you it's all in your head, that you're nuts, that you know this is not a real medical condition and these symptoms don't make any sense. And of course, then you get a doctor that tells you it's fibromyalgia, it's lupus, it's this, it's that, and you get every diagnosis under the sun. And I don't know that. I think some of these doctors are callous, but I think most of them care, and they'd like to help, but they get a lot of whiners in, and you end up getting lumped in with the whiners. I mean, we've. We've personally witnessed people being told by the doctor that they just get a certain amount of exercise, cut a few certain foods out of their diet, they'll feel a lot better. And they go, I don't want to do that. Can I just get a pill? That was never us.
And so we had done what the allopathic doctors told us. It didn't work. It got worse and worse. And at one point, like I say, I can only stay awake for two hours at a time. And we figured I wouldn't live much longer because my body was definitely winding down.
[00:23:20] Speaker C: We went, and how were. How were they seeing that your body was winding down? Was it lab testing, your kidneys crash, your liver enzymes going up? I mean, how. How did they see that your body was crashing?
[00:23:33] Speaker B: Well, I produced almost 50 kidney stones in about a year and a half. That was brutal. One of which required surgery.
My liver wasn't functioning at my. I got these massive dark circles under my eyes. My skin looked terrible. I had shortness of breath, like I had just run a sprint. But that was sitting on the couch, having done nothing, Go to the doctor, and they'd say, oh, your kidneys and liver are failing.
They're winding down, and whatever. I don't even remember what they told me about those lab tests, but that was the deal.
And then we had issues like couldn't eat normal foods, couldn't eat simple things. Lettuce. There was a time when I couldn't eat lettuce.
It would do all kinds of horrible stuff to my gut. So we. I mean, we looked at each other, Tracy and I. We said, lettuce? Really? I can't eat lettuce. I mean, what. What's in lettuce that would really bother the human body. So it really was a huge impact on our lives, caused an awful lot of stress. And we had similar stuff. Tracy's body was stronger than mine, so she did better than I did. And she. She was the one that kept the bills paid and worked while I literally could not function. And once we found out about. Because I was just doing that research 247 and. And literally I would sleep for four or five hours, wake up at 3am And I was on the laptop just reading everything I could, watching all the videos I could. And we went to a local doctor who did live blood cell analysis. And that's what Tracy's talking about, where they said, oh, my God. Oh, my God. And I finally. She wouldn't tell us. And I finally said, you're going to tell me right now. And she said, oh, this is the most Lyme I've ever seen in a human body, aside from one patient. And she died three weeks after we saw her.
So we immediately ran up every credit card we had, begged, borrowed from family and friends, and we got Tracy a whole bunch of IV therapies. And those. Those helped quite a bit, but they certainly didn't solve the problem. And so we kept on this path. And eventually I found the video by Horowitz and found Ann Bowden and went to her. And that was great, but the therapies were just too expensive.
And we ended up a friend, a friend of mine, a friend of his who I'd met that guy's wife had gone from 140 pounds or 138 to approximately 78 pounds. And she was dying. And her first name is Brittany. That's all I'll say. And she ended up finding about finding out. She went to a doctor in the middle of nowhere in Idaho, over in the mountains on the east side of the state. And he said, I could fix you, but it'd take 10 years. He said, why don't you just do what I did and go out of the country to this clinic? And they did. And in two visits, two or three visits, she was able to get pregnant where she was too light and didn't have enough body fat. She wasn't ovulating. She was able to get pregnant, have a baby, and you can't go get stem cells when you're pregnant or nursing. So she waited and I saw. We met with them, and she looked great. We went to their house, and they were kind enough to share their whole story. And she looked great. We thought, she looks great. I saw her several years later and she looked so much better that we couldn't believe it. But we had gone in the meantime. And the very therapies that you do at your clinic are what healed us. It was chelation, it was stem cells, it was all these therapies to give the organs, to allow the organs to work properly again, to get the toxins out of the body, stem cells to heal, and so on. And we've done therapies that I'd never heard of, and now I can tell you exactly how they work. Uvb, ubi, whichever you call it. Blood, ozone. We've done so many different therapies, but we were healed quickly once we found the right therapy. So I think it's important that people pay attention to whether or not their doctor says, I'll try and help you, or whether he says, we work with this all the time. And it's. It's hard to find because you can't. You Google it. It doesn't come up on the Internet. It doesn't come up as this doctor heals Lyme. You know, you just get a list of doctors, most of whom honestly don't have a clue what they're doing. And so it was, it was excruciating. And we had. I. I had symptoms where I went blind in one eye for a while. I had symptoms where I was losing blood at the toilet in amounts that would frighten anyone. I had intestinal problems. And of course, every friend I had in high school that I was still friends with told me what a wuss I was and how I was making it up in my head. And one of my very best friends who I just talked to yesterday, he was my brother in law at the time, and he said, you got to quit singing. You got Lyme. He came to my house and was sitting in front of Tracy. And I said, you got to quit saying have Lyme, Dave, because you're just going to make it real. And I said, I have verifiable lab tests to prove I have Lyme. So even your best friends tend to treat you like you've lost your mind and you're a hypochondriac.
And honestly, one of the most refreshing things was this clinic we went to, had a big IV room and the chairs are right next to each other. And there's all kinds of people from all over the country getting IVs. And almost all of them are there for lyme disease. Probably 80 to 95% of them are there for Lyme disease. And since you're you're sitting so close to each other, you say, excuse me, Sorry I bumped you. And you say, what are you in for? And they say, well, I'm here for Lyme. And then everybody starts talking, and it turns out that almost everybody's there for Lyme. And everybody has the exact same story. Oh, 10 doctors told me I was nuts. 10 doctors told me it was all in my head. 10 doctors, you know, or 20 or 50 or 100 doctors. Some of the people we met there were very. Well, some of the people we met there were billionaires. Some of them are incredibly wealthy. And it's the same story. The doctors told me I was nuts. They. They gave me this pill. They gave me that pill. They had me on 25 different medications. Didn't help. Made me worse. And eventually, in finding the right thing, then we got well. And it was, we got well in under six months once we started the therapies and, you know, after doing the.
[00:29:21] Speaker E: Therapy, you know, doing those therapies and following a diet, like, we went gluten free. We weren't eating a whole bunch of trash. We don't eat at McDonald's. We don't do any of those things.
Yeah, we were able to heal really quickly. But getting to the point to even find where to go and survive, getting there was a huge challenge for us. And I know for a lot of people, it's because a lot of people, yeah, you don't look sick. You, you know, like, well, Tracy, you know, you went from a size 5 to a 15 in 10 days. You should probably slow down on the food you're eating. Like, they just don't get it. And so you, you feel very hopeless. But things kind of unravel really quickly. And then you're getting really weird things. Like, I'm exhausted all day, and then as soon as night hits, now I'm awake and I have the most energy I've had all day. Now I can't go to sleep till three in the morning, and then I have to get up at 6 and go to work.
And people who don't have. Haven't had Lyme or anything, they just don't understand how challenging it really can be and how painful it can be and how there can be several different symptoms for it too. I mean, depending on the kind of Lyme you have, there's a gal we knew that had it. And you get uncontrollable, you know, tremors because the muscles are, are twitching all the time because the Lyme is chewing up the nerves. And in such a way that that's what it's creating. And so the nerve pain is quite excruciating.
And when you have it, you just deal with it. I remember finally one gal I worked with a long time ago. She's like, I don't know how you did it. I couldn't do it. Go through everything you did. I'm like, I didn't know I had a choice.
You know, you just do what you need to do to keep going. But it's definitely key to find a doctor, a place who, who really understands and does alternative therapist, because that's really the only way you're going to get rid of it.
[00:31:16] Speaker B: Right.
[00:31:17] Speaker C: And your journey through. So you said it took six months. I mean, what did that journey look like? Was it just kind of feeling better and better and better, or was it, you know, feeling, you know, killing things off and you felt horrible and then felt a little bit better and then kind of going back and forth like that. What did that look like?
[00:31:37] Speaker E: Tracy does this and then back around and then back up and then down. And then you're like, okay, it's a little bit more. Okay, I'm doing a little bit back. Better.
To, to really heal, you have to go kind of through everything backwards. You're not masking the symptoms. So your body is very, very interesting thing, how it can store a whole bunch of stuff that was trying to kill you, but it's trying to go after the thing that's trying to kill you the most. So as you get healthier, it starts going, oh, now I can get rid of that stuff I packed away in that fat cell, that cold that you couldn't manage. Now you have that cold and, and now you have the flu and now you have pneumonia. And you're going through all those things because your body is truly healing. So it, it's going for the most horrific thing first to get out, you know. And so it was not the smooth sailing, magic pill, magic anything. In fact, a lot of the treatments, when you are going through them, will literally just kind of kick your butt. I mean, sometimes, you know, it's, you're exhausted or my, Even like with chelation, it aches. You ache. You can have, you know, it isn't easy. I, I, there was times when I was, I mean, we got an infrared sauna at home because I was needing to detox so much and I couldn't do it enough. I need to do it through my skin too, because of everything. And I would be sitting in the sauna sweating and where My sweat would land, it would cause blisters because it was so toxic of all the stuff coming out of my body.
And also too, with the co infections, you just have so many things fighting each other.
Like. So I had Epstein Barr and I had it really bad.
So they, they tested my blood for Epstein Barr and I guess on that particular Test it was 0 to 19, 19 equaling that I had a really bad case. And she couldn't believe the lab test that came back. So she had them test my blood five times and each time that it came back in the 850 to 855 range.
[00:33:50] Speaker C: So above 19, is that what you're saying?
[00:33:53] Speaker B: Yes, slightly tiny bit above 19.
[00:33:57] Speaker E: And the was. Is. It was like, she's like, I don't even know how you're awake. And I'm like, honestly, I feel better than I used to because I've been doing stuff. So it's pretty amazing just how much you can actually endure and come out of it and you can heal from it. It's just not necessarily going to be super easy ride. But when you're actually healing from it, you are going to have some things that happen where you don't feel so good, but they are helping you. And in the end, they help you a ton. Where when they're trying to give you a neurontin and everything else just to kill the nerve pain, you're just getting worse and worse and worse and you're. And your organs are shutting down.
[00:34:41] Speaker B: Yeah.
One of the things that, that was shocking to us, that nobody had told us until we finally reached that, that last clinic, was that Lyme occurs in three stages in your body. If you have it long enough, you've got Lyme in your blood and it goes intracellular inside your red blood cells and kind of hides from your immune system. Then you have Lyme and a biogel that it creates that masks it from the immune system. And if it's in the biogel long enough, it becomes cystic in form and becomes a hard shell. And so we had done therapies that killed Lyme, but nobody told us, oh, you know, it'll be back real soon. Because as soon as, as soon as the lime's cleared from your blood in the normal form, then it senses increased hormones and blood sugar because you're starting to function again. And it comes out of the biogel form and then eventually you kill that off and then it comes out of the cystic form and it's just.
It's kind of like being in the ring with the meanest fighter in the world, and he knocks you down. You think, okay, I feel like he just killed me, but I'll get up. You get up, and he hits you again, and you get up and he hits you again, and you get up and he hits you again. You're like, I'm just gonna lay here and die. This is. I get it. This is my time to die, and I'm just done.
And we came close to giving up a lot of times. It was a brutal, brutal experience. But once we started healing and, yeah, I find it funny that people think that business and healing and all that is a. It's just a straight line, you know, I've never seen that. All of all of my friends that have done really well in life, financially whatnot, they've been through some tough times and they've been bankrupt a few times. And life is a learning process. Healing is a learning process. And those things can be mitigated to some degree by a practitioner like yourself, who really knows what they're doing. But for most people, you go to your MD or you go to the doc that says, I know how to treat that, and they just make it worse. And that was a heartbreaker.
[00:36:32] Speaker C: And so after these six months and you, you, did you feel then completely fine or where were we at? Or was there a little bit left? Or.
[00:36:42] Speaker B: Well, we. I think Tracy would agree, and I want you to comment in a second, Tracy, but we felt massively better. We could sleep, we could go to the bathroom without issue. We could eat more food. We could. It seemed like a pared down version of a normal life, and we were doing much, much better. But we knew that after a lifetime of having Lyme, that there was so much damage to our nerves and our. Our organs. And I mean, we were still very diminished. We just weren't in so much pain, didn't have so many issues. And so we kept going back and we went every six months and we went four times at six month intervals, roughly, give or take. And at the end of that, I was 52, Tracy was 46. And we felt healthier than we had ever felt even for a single day in our entire lives. And it was. I think it was because we'd been damaged since we were very young. And as our bodies were healing, we got better and better and better, and we resolved to continue going.
And that was about the time that we found out that we had a house that we were living in that was full of mold. And we. Normally you'd come back from getting stem cells in the therapies. And you just. Almost every day, you kind of feel like you're better, better, better, and life's getting better. And then after two weeks at home, I just felt really tired, and I had headaches, and I said to Tracy, this is never how we feel.
And she said, yeah, I'm not feeling very good. We communicated pretty well about that and found out we were living in a house with three of the top five most deadly toxic molds in huge amounts.
So.
[00:38:22] Speaker C: So here you. You fought so hard, you know, with. With Lyme. You've done all these therapies. I mean, trace, like you said, I don't know, 500 different IVs, and. And. And then, you know, lo and behold, you know, you add then mold to this.
And that's the thing for a lot of people that don't recognize how big of a factor mold is. And you. It's one of those things that you don't see because you're. You're just, you know, like, you're saying you're coming home, and. And all of a sudden, you just feel how you're crashing and then, you know, the symptoms coming back. So mold is a big deal.
[00:39:04] Speaker E: Yeah, mold is incredibly painful compared. I mean, Lyme was. Was really rough and molded. I think, just due to the fact that we had such high dosage. You know, it. We've been dosed so much by it that it was. We're still. We're doing much better now, but we're still recovering from that. And that was five years ago.
[00:39:29] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. What a journey. I mean, battling these infections. I mean, they.
Yeah, what a journey. And that's the thing is that, like you're saying the. You can then upregulate your hormones. You can do all these things, but the pathogens in themselves, they. They feed on steroid hormones. They, you know, they. They signal them to come out of hiding, you know, when. When things are looking good and. And then they hit you again.
So, yeah, they. They're very vicious, and. And they're, you know, they tend to be. Want to be there to stay.
[00:40:07] Speaker E: Well, one of the things that I found very interesting when I was, you know, after learning about Lyme and going through Lyme is when I was young, I had endometriosis. I ended up having a full hysterectomy at 27, and I had five surgeries before that just to have my son. And then I had to have an emergency C section and then a hysterectomy later, and come to find out that that's, that was really connected to Lyme chewing up all my work, you know, and it had been a problem my whole life with really bad men's, you know, menstrual cramps and really bad bleeding and all sorts of things. Insists and everything. But it was because Lyme had been chewing on all those hormones and attacking those organs that was creating a lot of that.
[00:40:55] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah.
[00:40:56] Speaker E: And.
[00:40:57] Speaker C: And one of the tools that, that, that you use a lot is actually, you know, you, you manufacture these as these pulsed electromagnetic field devices, and we, we have one at our center as well that, that you manufactured. Tell me a little bit about how that has helped you through this journey.
[00:41:18] Speaker E: Oh, with, with the lime. It helped a ton simply because.
Well, for a lot of reasons. But one of the main reasons is because the, the pulse actually runs down your. Your nervous system and it helps regenerate and heal the nerves and the nerve sheath. And now I don't have any. Neither one of us have any, I guess, proof, but kind of runs the Lyme out of your nerves. It makes it mad, doesn't want to hang out there anymore, and it kind of irritates it enough to get out where when you don't have something helping with that or having different methods of doing stuff, it likes to hang out in the nervous system because there's no immune system to come attack it in there. And it. And it eats up the nerves as it's food too, so. Or at least the sheath. And so the, the pulse going through the body helped regenerate all of the damage that was in the nerves, kept me. And once we were able to get all the therapies and stuff, it was able to heal. Heal them. So I didn't have nerve storms anymore. My skin wasn't super sensitive, and I was able to actually reverse all of the damage in my nerves from it.
So that was huge. And it also helps with. And you know, it helped me with energy and, and in helping and getting some clarity too, when I'd have massive brain fog and things like that. But it was huge for pushing it out of the nerves and healing the nerves because I had a ton of nerve pain.
[00:42:46] Speaker B: Yeah, we both dealt with a lot of nerve stuff. I had neuropathy in my legs and my feet would turn so cold you couldn't believe that they were alive. And there was a time when I built us a bed out of two by fours that was high enough off the floor that Tracy had to use a little step to get into it because my right leg would hurt so bad. When I would put pressure on it to stand in the morning that I would scream that the pain was enough enormous. And we had built this machine based on Nikola Tesla's patent filed in 1880s. He called it the life force machine. I, I sought to build the most accurate to his patent. Electronics have obviously changed a lot since then. But we, a friend of mine had built one that was just kind of tossed together in a garage and brought it out as he crossed the country and put it on me. And it, it made me feel so much better that I talked to him, got some information, got the patent and I built three of them. Two I sold and one we kept.
And it helped us so much. If I couldn't stand on my leg because of the nerve pain, I would crawl out to the living room and lay on the machine for 10 to 20 minutes. And at the end of 10 to 20 minutes, I could stand up and reach for the sky, bend over and touch my toes. And I had full motion flexibility, zero nerve pain. It helped us a lot with headaches, it helped us a lot with digestion. And the more research we did, the more we found out we should probably just start building them and helping people because it was so transformative for us and friends we would have. Our house had a revolving door on it. We had friends come over with strains and sprains and bringing their kids over and anybody who had any issues and post surgery healing and just everything. And it seemed to work wonders on the human body for almost any complaint like that. I've mentioned, you know, anything from surgery problems to, or healing to broken bones, that kind of thing. And PEMF technology was FDA approved. Not my machine, but the technology, nobody's machine is approved for bone healing. They call it non union healing, non union fracture healing, meaning the bones not touching. And typically that requires a bone graft, usually out of the hip to cross the joint to continue the body's electrical system down the bone. So we'll heal it. And we have a ton of videos from a number of people and even Tracy, we have her X rays. She slept on the machine for eight hours a night on very, very low because bone healing doesn't take a whole lot of energy from the machine. And on the 9th, let's see, 9 nights and the 10th day we went in to get checked again and she had broken a third of her humerus off in a motorcycle accident on a dirt road on snow in the mountains in the springtime and broken that, that humerus right there with a 2 millimeter gap that they had to push back together. And nine nights later, approximately six to eight hours a night, her bone was 100% healed so much that the orthopedic surgeon told us she'd never broken it. And that became a discussion in itself. And then he said, well, she's still going to have to have all this surgery to attach the labrum in front, on top, and in back, because it was almost completely torn off. It's hanging on the top by a thread. And when we walked out, she said, I'm not getting surgery. And I said, what do you mean? She said, well, if I get surgery, you know, I'm going to have all this recovery time. It's going to be excruciating. It's going to cost a fortune. She said, if I can heal the bone, and neither of us are doctors, right, she said, if I can heal the bone in nine nights completely so they can't ever tell is broken, then I can heal the labrum. And I. I know a little bit. And I said, I don't know that that's true, because bone healing and cartilage healing are two very different things. And traditionally, it's always been surgery with screws and plates and that kind of thing. She said, well, I'm going to try it. And so for about another 36 nights, she slept with a machine on her shoulder and ended up with a completely healed labrum. And she had a range of motion that she needed to regain because she'd had the arm immobilized for a long time. And we went to a local guy that does orthopedic stuff, and in one visit, he got her range of motion back, and she's been good ever since.
[00:46:54] Speaker C: That's incredible. That's incredible.
So tell me a little bit. Tracy explained that it kind of drives the pathogens out of the nerves.
What else does the PMF do? I mean, what is the function and the body?
[00:47:11] Speaker B: So pemf. At its base, the letters stand for pulsed electromagnetic fields and frequencies. Our machine has a set of frequencies that are unique. Nobody else in the world has them. We think that's part of what makes our machine work so well. We get better results than I've had people that had other machines that have turned around and bought ours because it works better and they heard about it from friends. But pulsed Electromagnetic fields and frequencies. So the machine is pulsing whether fast or slow, depending on where you turn the.
And it's putting a pulse of energy into you. Now it's voltage that moves through the air. The clothing doesn't need to come off. There's nothing attached to you. It's just coils of wire that sit on you that are very specific. And it produces this pulse that goes through the body. Now the pulse goes completely through the body and will. So if you have it on your back, it can come out through your belly and out the front and will, in fact, if you turn it up, it'll make your belly muscles contract. Not painful at all. It's painless. It's actually a lot of times by putting on somebody's back, shoulders or neck or head, about three and a half minutes, they're asleep. Because it's a really comfortable, enjoyable feeling. But it's doing a lot for the body and for the things that science has determined that it's doing. And there are write ups on other things it's doing. And we think we've discovered a few things that haven't ever been written about that we found in any studies. But the four main things are forced cellular respiration. That's what happens when we exercise. Our cells contract and extend, expand, contract and expand. And they're pulling weight, they're pushing waste out and pulling nutrients in with ATP, creating mitochondrial function. And so that's kind of a double because we're, we're helping that go faster and better. And a lot of times when people are ill, they're sedentary or they're injured, so they're sedentary because they can't really do much and the cells kind of stop working properly. And I think of it as the cell getting constipated, so then it can no longer produce voltage. And the person over time gets more and more and more tired because of a lack of mitochondrial function and voltage in the body. So what we're doing is we're getting the waste out, we're getting the nutrients in, we're getting the cell to function. That makes the muscles work better, feel better, sore spots go away. And then we're also adding voltage to the body so the people feel perked up, more energetic. Now that can have a dual effect. People can feel perked up and more energetic, or if they haven't gotten enough sleep and they've been ill long enough, it supplies their body with the energy needed to sleep. I had a doctor tell me, the doctor that actually gave Tracy her range of motion back, he said most people don't know that to relax a muscle takes three times the energy it does to contract the muscle. And I, that kind of blew my mind. And then a lot of things sort of made Sense, especially with elderly people who are always achy and having pain and they're tired and thinking back to some of my own injuries and surgeries and stuff, I thought, well, that makes total sense to me. It also puts ions through the body, which is a very good thing, and they pass right through the body. They do some good things when they do that. One of those things is they break up a small amount of the water that's near tissue into hydrogen and oxygen, both of which are used in the body for healing. But if your body has to break those molecules up, it takes an amount of energy that's gargantuan and will just wear somebody out. And I think a lot of people don't understand that. For instance, the flu. People don't usually really die of the flu. They die of exhaustion from trying to fight the flu. And so we can artificially enhance and charge up the body and give somebody a much better sense of being and more energy to function. And we've seen people perk up that couldn't put two words together for a sentence. And in 20 or 30 minutes, talk freely. And normally we've seen some really interesting stuff. So now we do videos. We had a guy, Mike Felkoff. He was the world's oldest living black dragon, I think it was, martial artist. And he was an American guy. And he came over with a walker and a tank of oxygen that somebody else was towing. And he was huffing and puffing. He'd been a smoker all his life. And he sat down, we put him on the machine, and he was. He. He had to huff and puff to say two or three words, huff and puff to say two or three words. So it was difficult having a conversation. And he used the machine for 20 minutes. And one of the guys finally said, mike, move so somebody else can try it. It was an older gentleman that had a bunch of friends, friends that weren't feeling welcome to our house to test the machine. And Mike stood up now, he'd been super hunched over, and he was. He was diminished drastically.
Muscle size and capacity. Everything was way down. And he grabbed the walker, grabbed the oxygen tank, walked around to the other side of my sofa sectional, sat down and was just talking, talking, talking the whole time. And every. I looked around. There were. Was 18 people in our house.
[00:51:37] Speaker E: Yeah, at least. And.
[00:51:38] Speaker B: And my jaw dropped. And I looked around, everybody watching him walk around the table. And he yammered for a couple minutes. And the friend who brought him said, hey, Mike, shut up, shut up. They said, how you feeling? He said, I didn't work for me, so. So we've always done videos since then. So it'll enhance mitochondrial function, cellular respiration, it, it takes some of the water in the tissues, breaks up the hydrogen, oxygen, and then it creates something called electroporation. And that's described as. Every cell wall is full of little pores, just like your skin is. And that's how it pulls in nutrients and pushes out waste. And when you put the machine on, and there are studies being done right now, not with my machine, they just created their own, but where they. They pimp somebody and it electroporates the cells and those pores open up from maybe a pinhole to a gigantic pore, and a lot of nutrients can get in, a lot of waste can get out. And some of the drug trials I understand they're doing, they pull in those drug molecules and they shut the machine off. And now it's trapped in the cell because otherwise it's too big to get in or out. And it can do its work inside the cell. And they're having great results with that. But through electroporation, you're absorbing more nutrients, you're upcycling the body. And in fact, pemf, not just my machine, everybody's machine, is going to increase things like stem cell production, blood flow, nerve function, mitochondrial function, and depending on how well the machine is built and how well it performs, that can be 150,000 times normal. It sounds like a lot, but I've experienced it and so is Tracy. And anybody uses our machine, you definitely feel it. But you'd think it turned into Superman and you could fly across the city, but it doesn't quite work like that. But you do feel a lot better. You get a lot more energy and a lot of your aches and pains will go away and it tends to calm the nerve system. So we have learned a lot about this just through our doctors. They'll call and say, why didn't you tell me what this does for migraines? And I say, well, I don't know what it does for migraines. That was in our early days. And they say, oh, I've had these ladies coming in who have chronic acute migraines. They get them two, three, four times a month, and they have to hide in the closet for two, three days, which is an ocular migraine where they can't have any light. And they say, I put it on her head just like you told me to. One to five sessions of five to ten minutes on very, very low, and they've never had a migraine since. And the doctor who first called me with that Dr. Lou Arendt, just recently passed away. Wonderful friend of ours. We loved him to death. And to the day he passed, he never called me. We talked on a regular, regular basis. Love that guy. He never called me and said anybody ever came back in. And the migraines had returned. So we got, we got something going right in the body. And I think it's a voltage problem that women experience during puberty or child carrying or childbirth and, and that got corrected. But we've had so many doctors call us and tell us so many different things about what the machine does for certain patients. Here in my local town, we have a guy who has a double amputee who's about my age. He's in his early 50s, I guess. I'm, I'm past early 50s. I'm 56, I think he's 52 or 53. And he lost both of his legs at age 19 working for the railroad. They had set up some charges to, you know, blow some rock out to put some track in. And as he walked by, for some reason, the charges went off spontaneously damaged him enough. They amputated both of his legs just below the knee. And I need to get a testimonial from this guy. He wears prosthetics, but that's obviously painful. Burying his whole body weight on, on a stump. And he got on the machine after we sold it to this local doctor. And we had seen him in the clinic one day and I asked, you know, tell me about him. He's using it. He said, oh, the first day he used it was a three day weekend. And he said he's always got stump pain. It's constant in his life. It never goes away. He said, we did each stump for 20 minutes, 20 or 30 minutes. And he said he left and he came back the day after the weekend. And he said, I was able to work in my garage, do some woodworking work in the yard. He said I was going for three days solid with no pain whatsoever. Then I woke up on the fourth day with some pain.
But it calms nerves, which personally, seeing what Tracy went through and knowing what I went through and seeing what some other people have gone through. If you can calm the nerves when there's a chronic problem, parasites, bacteria, virus, Lyme disease, mold, whatever, you can calm those nerves. The people get a great deal of the quality of life back because things, at least for a while, function a lot better. And it relieves them, gives them hope. And so We've seen that, and we've used it for that. And as far as Tracy's comment on it making Lyme leave the nerves, I don't know whether it's killing the Lyme in the nerves or making it a highly unfriendly environment, but we've seen it with over 50 people where it has made such a difference that they're not having nerve pain in certain places. They're not having neuropathy. They're not having all these.
With Lyme and with mold, it affects your nervous system in such a way that you can feel like a nerve in your arm is on fire. And it might last 30 seconds, it might last 30 minutes, and it can be excruciating and scare you half to death because you don't know what's going on inside your body. And it tends to calm all of that and give people back a significant percent of the quality of life so they can at least function and get through their day.
And we've just seen so many people helped by it. It's become a real passion for us, and it's our main endeavor, and we love doing it.
[00:56:55] Speaker C: Yeah. Love it. Love it. Well, thank you, both of you, for. For, you know, for explaining a little bit, you know, talking about your journey. I mean, such a powerful journey, and also bringing hope to people, recognizing that, you know, there. There are tools out there, and. And yes, you go from doctor to doctor, but, you know, finally you. You'll. You'll find that one, you know, that that can help to turn around. And using powerful tools like the PMF device that you use becomes a really great tool to have in your own home or if you have a provider that has it, to utilize that to its fullest. So thank you so much, both of you. Yeah, I'm so glad you could join me today.
[00:57:45] Speaker B: Thank you, Michael.
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