Episode Transcript
[00:00:01] Speaker A: Welcome back to Integrative lyme Solutions with Dr. Karl Felt.
[00:00:05] Speaker B: I am so excited about the show.
[00:00:07] Speaker A: That we have ahead of us.
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Hello. Thank you so much for joining Integrative lyme Solutions with Dr. Karl Feldtre. I am your host, Dr. Michael Karlfeldt. I've been in clinical practice since 1987. I've seen pretty much everything under the sun, worked with so many different Lyme patients, and I know what a devastating disease this is. That's why I'm doing this podcast to make sure that you are armed with the information that you need in order to be able to be successful in your struggle with Lyme. We'll be featuring authors, doctors, professors, and also people like yourself that have gone through the journey that you're going through, that have been where you've been and is now on the other side. And they get to tell their victorious story as to how they battle Lyme so that you can implement that in your life as well. Be sure to like us and write a review on whichever platform that you're listening on. What that does is it enables other people to see us more so that they have access to this information as well. So I'm so excited that you're tuning in and get ready for this upcoming show. It is going to be amazing. Well, I'm so excited. I have Carter Bernheide. He is an amazing music therapist. You're somebody that we utilize here at the Kaufal center for a lot of our patients. And so thank you so much for hanging with me today.
[00:01:55] Speaker C: My pleasure. Happy to be here.
[00:01:57] Speaker B: So tell me a little bit, kind of why music. Why is music so important to you.
[00:02:03] Speaker C: Important to me or important to people broadly?
[00:02:06] Speaker B: Well, first. Is important to you important to me?
[00:02:09] Speaker C: I've had a long relationship with music. I started singing when I was on stage or singing on stage when I was about 7 years old. I've always been kind of drawn to the creation of music and the way that it's kind of connected me both to myself and to other people.
Yeah, I started learning instruments when I was about 10 years old and really just enjoyed the place that, that. That kind of created for me a kind of a.
Not only an escape, but a chance to like, sit with my own thoughts and sit with that creativity a little bit longer and kind of live in that space. Was really helpful for me. Especially as a. As a young kid. And so that I started. Started when I was very young and has continued to be a beneficial tool for me in my. In my adult life as well.
[00:02:51] Speaker B: And this was something also. I know your mother, she was dealing with some health issues, and this became a healing tool in her journey as well.
[00:03:02] Speaker C: Absolutely. Yeah. I first became kind of aware that music and therapy was not something that was separated, but was very much connected kind of through that avenue, like you're saying. She actually dealt with a lot of chronic pain and fatigue. And one of the reasons that I ended up practicing so much was that because it brought her relief. It was one of the only times in my. It, through a couple years, through a tough couple years, that I remember seeing relief on her face. And so it's. Yeah, not only a part of my. My musicality now, but is very much baked into the reason I. I was practicing to begin with. And that. Yeah, it's been a wonderful tool to have both for me and. Yeah, like you said, for my family as well.
[00:03:41] Speaker B: Yeah. And. And she. I mean, her struggle, she. Dealing with autoimmune. She was in a place where. And the doctors had given her, you know, you're only able. You're only going to live so many years. And she chose not to do the traditional medical route. You know, she chose to do more kind of integrative things like the things we do here at the center.
[00:04:04] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:04:05] Speaker B: And now she is here, you know, many, many years past. What the doctor said, that this is the limit of your life. And she's dealing with, you know, we're talking about Lyme here, you know, this podcast, and. And she was dealing with these kind of chronic infections and dealing with a lot of complex health issues. And. And that's, you know, the impact on her music therapy was just tremendous.
[00:04:32] Speaker C: 100%. Yeah. And, you know, before she. She decided on. On kind of the alternative avenue of healing, we were very much in kind of the Western medicine model for a very long time. You know, like, it wasn't something that she had chosen kind of at the beginning of her journey. It was very much a. This is my last kind of resort sort of deal, which I know that is the rings true for, I think, for a lot of people.
And I think that it really can't be overstated just, like, how much.
How powerful it was to see something cut through it when we were at that point, to the best of our knowledge, doing everything we possibly could to, like I said, reach her pain and reach, you know, hopefully a change in the tide and kind of see progress in the direction we were hoping for. I mean, she was on as much pain medication as you could possibly prescribe someone. I mean, you. I remember they told her, basically, you know, we can add more dosage, but it's just not going to do anything at this point. Like, we're. We've. We've maxed it out. And to see, you know, music cut through that towards something that they could. We couldn't even prescribe drugs that could cut through that pain. And to see music, of all things kind of cut, that was a very transformative experience for me and for her as well. I think we kind of came to that kind of conclusion together that music was something that we could lean on individually and like I said together when I was playing and seeing that was a big part of my. Of my journey into becoming a music therapist.
[00:05:50] Speaker B: And then as a. As a teenager in your journey, then, you know, you're using music for your own self, also for your mother. And then kind of thinking, what is my next step in life? And that's when music therapy really became something that, yes, this is what I want to do. I want to help people. I've seen how this impact my life, my mother's life. So then you took that step to then traditionally go to school, get that degree. And how do you feel? I mean, do you feel that. What kind of impact have you had on people so far, you know, with all the people you worked with and you worked with some pretty challenging cases?
[00:06:34] Speaker C: Yes. Yeah. Before I, you know, worked here, I worked in inpatient psych. And so it was very much a different. A different vibe. And one of the things I think I take away from having worked with so many people is that you get is, I guess, knowing what's within your sphere of control. And I think that that's true for, like, me as a clinician, I think is true for, you know, anybody going through life or trying to take what they can and bring it under their scope of control. And I think part of that is learning to take wins, I think, where you can get them and using and appreciating kind of the moments of joy that can cut through the clouds, like, almost, you know, kind of like what I was just saying with the pain is like, you really begin to appreciate those moments when all that you're experiencing, all that you're feeling is kind of that overhanging cloud and that. That kind of perpetual stress or perpetual pain and perpetual darkness in that way. And so I think the moments that have really stuck out to me across, across the different fields that I've been a part of is those moments where you get those clouds apart and the joy that it can bring people and the relief that that can bring, not only in the sense that you're feeling it in that moment, but also just a reminder that there is a light at the end of the tunnel. It can be everything for persistence and keep having the stamina to continue to go on, which when you're battling chronic illness, stamina is everything. It's about, you know, looking toward this end goal and recognizing that, you know, we're not really going to get there in one step or two steps. And that even though we might feel like sometimes we could take a step backward, two steps forward is still, you know, two steps forward, one step back is still a step forward. And appreciating kind of the longevity of that. And that's a lot of. I think my favorite moments is when people are able to kind of see the scope and see that journey ahead of them and just get a moment of relief.
[00:08:21] Speaker B: Yeah, I love that. Yeah. Because when you're dealing with, you know, like Lyme, for instance, I mean, it impacts you on so many different levels. I mean, impact, you know, your brain is functioning, your. Your emotions, you know, impact in the functionality of your body, the pain. Yeah, there's so many layers of, of impact on you then to be able to have a tool like music, to be able, like you're saying, to kind of cut through all of that and music, I mean, that, that's like a universal language that we all resonate with.
[00:08:53] Speaker C: Yeah, music, it's, it's amazing that people like the kinds of things that people are able to connect with. Even when, you know, kind of, we don't think that we do. I think a lot of us take music and its function in our lives kind of, kind of for granted. And it can be really amazing to kind of realize that something already moves you and to move that from something that just sort of moves you ambiently or moves you maybe passively into something that is a tool for yourself in order to help move you in a positive direction. And that's really, you know, what music therapy is all about, is we're using music as a tool to achieve, you know, non musical goals. Sometimes those goals can include music, but most of the time, you know, what we're working with is music is, is just a part, a tool to get to somewhere we want to be, whether that's, you know, pain relief or stress relief or even energizing any, anything that you can, you know, apply music to. It's an extremely versatile tool, and so being able to use it in those ways is really empowering, I think.
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[00:11:52] Speaker B: And people, when you talk about music therapy, and I, and I know that the challenges, you know, with, with my patients, you talk about music therapy and they say, well, I like to listen to music. And they think that, that, that in itself is all that music therapy is.
[00:12:06] Speaker C: Right.
[00:12:06] Speaker B: Do you mind explaining a little bit? You know, what is the difference between just somebody turning on the music, listening to a song that they like, versus then working with somebody like yourself?
[00:12:17] Speaker C: Yeah, listening to music is great. And I do, I do try to encourage people to both like make playlists, and also be more mindful of the music that they're listening to and its effects on their mood. I think, you know, I think a lot of us use music just even like, to and from work to get ourselves ready and in the mindset to be energized and also, like I said, to wind down. But the value of having somebody who is a trained musician and a trained music therapist that can sit in a room with you is that they're able to utilize what I think is music's greatest strength, which is its flexibility and its dynamic range. And one of the things that I do within my kind of guided meditation exercises that I do with folks is the tempo of my music is flexible. It's not rigid. It doesn't stay kind of on a click track. And neither does people's breathing, neither does somebody's heart rate. And so what I'm able to do is, within that setting, use a variable speed and variable dynamics to and entrain to someone's breath and train to someone's, you know, their kind of physiological state and guide them personally into a state of deeper relaxation. And so that's something that I think has to be felt to be fully, kind of to be fully appreciated, but it is a very, very different experience. And I think that that's. Yeah, but not only that, but the discussion that you're able to have afterward, after going into a moment of, like, deep reflection or deep relaxation, and then be able to verbally process that with somebody is part of the way that those tools and those lessons that you get out of that experience is part of the reason they stick with you. Otherwise, you're kind of experiencing powerful moments, to be sure, but you're almost experiencing them in a vacuum. And if you're not able to sort of recapitulate or contextualize those experiences in real time, they can. They tend to just kind of fall off. And so in that way, I think it's very important to have almost like a.
It can be like a guide in that way.
Yeah.
[00:14:11] Speaker B: And we all. I mean, one of the challenges when you deal with a chronic illness is that you have the sympathetic, the parasympathetic side. And we know sympathetic, that's our kind of fight and flight, you know, and most of us, we exist in that state. So to be able to get into that parasympathetic state where regeneration takes place, where detoxification takes place, where, you know, the nervous system, you know, it resets and.
[00:14:38] Speaker C: Right.
[00:14:38] Speaker B: It becomes so important in order to be able to get out, you know, like you were talking about your mother, and get out of that pain state using then kind of bringing a person back into that healing state 100%.
[00:14:51] Speaker C: And honestly, what I've seen happen a lot, especially with chronic illness and chronic pain especially, is the emotional response that people have when they leave that space, when they leave that stress space into a space of, like you're saying, healing and rest. These things that, that we might have been kind of keeping in jars or keeping hidden away from ourselves, kind of rear their head naturally. It's. It's very, you know, interesting. A lot of what I do with, like I said, kind of the guided meditation is kind of exploring where we're holding tension and stress on our. In our body. And it's. It's been astounding to me just, just in this, you know, in the. In the time that I've been here, just how much emotion is really charged in those areas. And so exploring those, you know, exploring those. Those areas of stress is very important. But when you're going even deeper, it's again, that much more valuable to have somebody with you to then, like I said, kind of contextualize those experiences where it's just not uncommon at all for within a session where we're, again, just talking about holding stress in our body and releasing it, that people burst into tears or people are having extremely intense emotional reactions just because of the kind of dissonance that can happen between oneself and their own body. As you're, as you kind of deal and manage with chronic illness. It's one of those things that, you know, it's. It's all fun and games to say, you know, we need to be a part of our own body and to live in that every day. But for most of us, life still goes on, like, outside of that. And so there has to be ways to compartmentalize, and there has to be ways that we can put things on the back burner so that we can live our regular lives. But in that same way, they also. There also needs to be a space where those things can come out. And when they come out, it can. Yeah, it can often be intense.
[00:16:29] Speaker B: And usually we talk in healing, we talk about symptoms like pain, like inflammation, like, whatever it may be, that this is how the body communicates that there's a need. We need to be able to address this in some fashion. The issue is exactly what you're saying is that as you then function in your daily capacity, it's very hard to have that pain kind of right there in Your head all the time, so you have to push it aside. But by doing so, you're not really able to access what the pain is trying to show you and then heal what's there.
[00:17:10] Speaker C: And often one of my points at the end of those sessions is realizing that the space that we thought we were inhabiting, that felt like rest, isn't actually rest. And that. And it can be really interesting, you know, to kind of dive into, like, okay, where. Where was something that you were holding in your body that. That you, like, forgot was even there? And it can be simple things, you know, it doesn't always have to be something, you know, extremely, like ongoing or chronic. It can be as simple as just holding our shoulders, like, too tight toward our ears or clenching our jaw. These are subtle physiological changes that send signals to our brain that something's wrong. And so we often end up finding ourselves in a space of. Of anxiety or kind of. That kind of like, heightened state of physical arousal where we're unsure of even why we're experiencing it. And so getting practicing, naming where those points of stress are and naming where those points of tension are is an amazing step into letting those things go and then being more aware of why we're kind of reacting or behaving in a certain way.
[00:18:09] Speaker B: And the thing with chronic illness, you know, like Lyme spirochetes or, you know, Epstein Barr or mold or whatever it may be, you know, they tend to go to the area of weakness in the body. And the area of weakness is obviously where we have trauma, we hold stressors. You know, that becomes the location where these different infectious agents can. Can inhabitate and then impact you. So to be able to then access those areas of your body where you're holding that stress, holding that trauma, and release that energy, all of a sudden, you know, these bugs can't really hide anymore. They don't have that. That home where. Where they can start to impact you, but the immune system, your awareness, you know, start to recognize where they exist and to heal that. That area of the individual.
[00:18:56] Speaker C: A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Yeah. I'm always using as much as I can to music to highlight that mind body connection, Using music as sort of a container to create a safe space for your own brain to access those points of stress. Because, yeah, like I said, it could be. It's not always a. It's occasionally an emotionally taxing experience. And being aware that that can be part of it is, I think, I think helpful.
[00:19:17] Speaker B: And it seems to me also, I mean, so you have individuals you can Go to psychologists and you do cognitive therapy where we just kind of talking things out. But frequently the brain functions such a way that we try to protect the areas of the body of trauma and of stress. So as we're then communicating with a psychologist, we're almost trying to avoid, you know, the areas that are really painful, that are hurtful and that exists within us. And music seems to be that benign, safe door opener to the space.
[00:19:52] Speaker C: 100%. Yeah. I think it's one thing to kind of talk about emotions and to sort of try to reflect on them. I think it's incredibly important and there's a lot of great research on that that is very important and very helpful and I encourage everyone to do that. I think that it's another thing entirely to sort of get into that place where you're feeling those emotions and then dealing with them as they come up. And I think that's the power of music in that regard, is that it not only, you know, we're not just talking about something that we remember feeling, we're in the middle of feeling it. Music is taking us to that place where we're in the depths of sadness or joy or peace and kind of exploring why those things are, you know, in the case of negative emotions, like how we can cope with them, and then in the case of positive emotions, how we can retain that feeling and bring it with us through our day to day life. I mean, it's not always, you know, about trying to dig into whatever the deepest trauma is. Sometimes it's just about aligning ourselves with something that we'd rather be sitting in. And that again, like peace, like joy, like health, and reminding ourselves like, you know, that there is that light and reminding ourselves what it feels like to be in that space of hope. And, you know, not just intellectualizing it, I suppose.
[00:21:04] Speaker B: Yeah. So it seems that like music then becomes kind of like the, in addition to being the door opener, then also as you step into that space, then using music then to help to kind of balance the emotions, the traumas, you know, that's in there because it is something we can all connect to music on some level and we all like and different types of musics, but we can then resonate with that, that healing power when we're in that space feeling safe and being able to heal.
[00:21:34] Speaker C: Absolutely. I mean, those are just the benefits of experiencing music from a receptive standpoint. I mean, that's, that's not even to say, you know, the power of actually engaging with music yourself.
I would, as much as I can encourage people to engage in making music. I know that a lot of people are intimidated about learning an instrument for the first time. I think that culturally, I think there's been a long standing view that music and the creation of music is reserved for those who have gone to higher education or for performers, or that you need to be playing at a level that you can sell out of stadium in order to kind of validly take place in this. In this activity. But I think that's just absolutely not true.
Not only is it not true, just kind of in a. In a sense of you might be missing out on something you could enjoy, but it's also not true both culturally, throughout human history and through the world right now. I mean, that idea of professionalism being the kind of barrier for entry for musicianship is a. Is a very, very Western idea that it's kind of. That it's for the elite or for the most trained. If you look across cultures and you look through history, you'll find that music has been more involved in a communal space and more involved in a communication space than it ever has been involved within a performative, kind of paid for, sort of way. And so getting in touch with that is really just getting in touch with more of yourself, more of your human nature. And I think it's a shame that people feel that. Feel afraid to kind of engage with that, because we're. I think we become afraid of making mistakes or making something that doesn't sound perfect. And there's a lot of beauty and a lot of joy in creating, in learning that process and making mistakes. It's the most human thing I think we can do.
[00:23:16] Speaker B: And it's that kind of somatic experience when you use something physical to connect with the emotional, the kind of spiritual, emotional side of an individual.
[00:23:26] Speaker C: Absolutely.
It's the difference between us kind of going into a space that I'm taking us to or kind of like leading you through and you being able to express what it is that you're kind of feeling through the subtext, through the kind of complexities of music, and being able to access what is ultimately very complicated emotions, some sometimes that we fail to even grasp the words to properly explain. And using music, not only to access that part of yourself, but also to express that and provide yourself that release. And not only that, it's just so, so helpful to engage with something. I think that that's like the difference. I think what I hear a lot of and what I kind of have a little bit of a problem with is, is people kind of telling. Telling folks that the best way to deal or manage with pain is by distracting yourself. And I think that distraction is a misleading word because lots of things are distractions like our phones can be distracting. But I would be hard pressed to find somebody who thinks that being on their phone is a good alternative as a pay for a pain management strategy. And I think what people are really looking for is actually engaging with something. It's not something that we're using to just sort of move our mind in another direction, but actually something that takes your full, full attention and full focus and learning. Music is one of those things that can. That does take your full attention and your full presence in order to be a part of. It's a modality that by its very nature is ephemeral and disappears the minute you're done creating it. And so you have to be present with it in order to enjoy it. And that is again a wonderful way to, like I said, part those clouds, like experience that joy, experience that expression that you're talking about and kind of bring us back into our. Into our. Into our true self.
[00:25:07] Speaker B: Yeah, I love that. Do you, do you mind just kind of showing a little bit what's, what's some of the examples using. I know you brought your guitar.
[00:25:14] Speaker C: Sure.
[00:25:16] Speaker B: Because I love for people just to kind of get a feeling of what music therapy, what it is.
[00:25:24] Speaker C: What I'll. What I'll do is I'll play a little bit of a snippet of what I use to sort of support those, like I said, like kind of those guided meditations. I use the word like meditation. Light. Very, very beginner friendly. But I would like to kind of highlight what I was talking about earlier, which is that kind of the breathing of it. Right. That music is something that's not very stagnant.
So this would be the guitar part that sort of repeats underneath everything that I talk about.
It's not supposed to be flashy, it's not designed to be ear catching. It is supposed to put you in space where you can regulate your breath, regulate your thoughts, bring everything in a state of balance.
And then we get to points, we hold our breath or we become more engaged in what we're working with. The tempo speeds up, then releases.
And that's sort of the, the idea of tension and release is that what, like, you know, what a recorded piece wouldn't necessarily be able to do if you're playing to a click track is breathe with you. And that becomes kind of the important part, part of sitting with that and allowing music to be the dynamic.
[00:27:01] Speaker B: Yeah, because breath, breath is such a, I mean through history, ancient civilizations, they've used breath all, you know, all the time to control the well being and the emotions and your connection with who you are, connection with the greater good. You know, it's such a powerful tool.
[00:27:21] Speaker C: Absolutely. And yeah, one of the. I like to highlight as much as I can, the power of breath. It's what, it's what signals our entire body to be in that relaxation state through discomfort even. It's like I said, like I said, very much a part of other cultures and yoga specifically.
[00:27:37] Speaker B: Right.
[00:27:37] Speaker C: Where that kind of tension of feeling, a stretch of feeling something kind of hurt, our breath is what signals our body be like, hey, this isn't a problem. It feels like pain, but it isn't. This is good. Um, and that's just as important for I think, physical relaxation as it is mental relaxation where as things are coming up as you know, we're becoming more aware of parts of our body that maybe we aren't usually becoming aware of that stress, that our breath is really what regulates us. And so in that way, music kind of functions as a container where as your thoughts begin to slip, or maybe your thoughts even slip into panic, music is there to keep you in a space where you can stay relaxed, where you can keep yourself in that healing space. Because, you know, once you kind of become familiar with that stress space, it's not a good space and it isn't home, but it becomes something familiar. And our brains are always going to choose something familiar over something that's good for us. And so what becomes the task is to keep realigning ourselves and readjusting toward this new space of healing. And our brains are very much capable of doing that. I mean, there's been amazing research, especially in the last like 10 or so years on neuroplasticity, which is just, you know, the idea that our brains are never set in stone, that the pathways that we have are, are not, are not there because they have to be there. It's there because we've repeated patterns over and over. And so in that way, the key to making new patterns is to simply do something else over and over and over again. And music has this, this amazing ability to increase the way that like our brains are, enable our brain's natural plasticity and encourage our brains to behave in new ways. Because music lights up. So much of our brain, there's so much of our processing lights up when we're listening to music, especially when we're engaged in music. And that way, new pathways are. It kind of primes our brain to a space that new pathways are more easily formed. And so that's kind of what we're doing by stepping into that relaxation space is building new pathways, encouraging your brain to sit in this place and let yourself heal.
[00:29:36] Speaker B: And, and we have, you know, we have terms I call like coherence, you know, where, where you have your cells and your, you know, brain and, you know, all, all, everything just kind of resonate with each other and kind of establishing that coherent state. Yeah. Where healing is taking place. And we, we all know, I mean, through quantum physics or physics, I mean, essentially we're just vibrational beings. You know, we may look physical, but at the end of the day, we're just vibrational beings.
[00:30:06] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:30:06] Speaker B: So then to use, you know, tools that are vibrational based, then to kind of create the, the oscillation, so to say, of these cells and how they communicate with each other, it's so much beyond than just kind of listening to a song that you may like. You can take that so much further using this kind of medicine.
[00:30:27] Speaker C: Absolutely. Yeah. Even building upon that about the way that we're, we're. We're vibration and, and that. And we're also rhythm as well. Like, even down to our heart rates. There's a. It's. It's commonly believed that our heartbeat is actually in three, which is why you'll find a lot of lullabies are actually in three as well. So three was. When we think of something being in three, we're thinking of it as being dictated by a stressed syllable, or, sorry, an unstressed syllable final, followed by a stress syllable. So be.
Which is. Exactly. If you listen to a heartbeat, it's about what it sounds like. And so in that way, when we're. We naturally entrained to three, we naturally are calmed by three. Because not only is our own heartbeat in three, but it's also the heartbeat of our mothers as well. And that's the first kind of rhythm that we're exposed to.
And so, yeah, interestingly, a lot of the, A lot of the songs they play for relaxation are in 3, or I'll put them in 3. Something that. Of attuned naturally to our sense of rhythm, attuned naturally to our sense of rhythmic self.
[00:31:30] Speaker B: And the thing when you're dealing with, let's say, the Lyme bug, spirochete, I mean, they are under stress as well. And when they're under stress, they secrete toxic chemicals that creates inflammation, creates pain. And so by removing that stress within you. So actually using music to actually calm down the pathogens as well, you know, becomes. Becomes really helpful. So. So it. Music just. There's so many layers of benefit that comes along with it.
[00:32:02] Speaker C: Absolutely. I think that we tend to think of music and also our, you know, our emotions is something that is just purely dealt with in our head, or it's just a psychological response. But our bodies do physiologically absolutely respond to music.
Yeah. And in that same way. So is our stress held in our bodies and not just in our head?
[00:32:21] Speaker B: I love it. And. And you work with so many kind of chronically ill patients here at the center.
Do you mind just sharing some of the experiences that people had and the impact that it had on them?
[00:32:34] Speaker C: Sure.
Oh, let's see.
Got a few good ones I'm trying to pick, I think. Yeah. One of my favorite things to do is engage actively with music with somebody. The more I can get people playing, the kind of. The more of a benefit I think that they're getting. And so it's been really amazing to create music with people in a place that sometimes we feel that there isn't going to be a lot of joy or there isn't going to be a lot of life and a lot of light.
And so being able to kind of create that space has been. Has been really incredible. I've worked with a couple people that have been here for longer stays who have been musical and have been, you know, very, very open, very trusting with me to allow me to kind of push them to do music either in the space for other folks or just, you know, kind of do it with me in private. But I think it's very important that we kind of are able to step in that creative space and get out of, like, you're saying, that kind of stress space. And I think it's. It's some of my. My favorite experiences have been able to do that.
[00:33:44] Speaker B: Yeah. And I know the feedback from. From patients, you know, when they do the music therapy is one of their most favorite thing that they're doing. And it's. It's amazing. When you deal with something as difficult as, you know, like Lyme disease or, you know, cancer patients as well, then it's so important to be able to have this that they can lean on and can calm the nervous system, and they feel connected. Because a lot of times you feel so scattered and so disconnected when you go through something this challenging.
[00:34:16] Speaker C: Absolutely. Yeah. Scattered and disconnected, I think, are. Yeah. Fantastic words. And I think that those feelings also go along with, like, Isolation. And one of the things that I do, you know, here at the center for our. For our PDT patients that are here for long periods of time, as I do a group once a week on Wednesdays. And that has been one of my favorite things that I've done here because it allows. It allows me actually to take a backseat and allow people to be the professionals of their own body, to be professionals of their own. Of their own journey. And it's been amazing to see the way people lean on one another in that space, because I think one of the things that, you know, it can feel so alone when we're in our heads and we're feeling stressed and we're in pain. It can feel like we're on an island and we're the only ones that are experiencing it. And that's just not true. There's, you know, you're in a room full of people that are there on all different walks of their health journey. And I think getting. Having them share their stories with one another has been one of the. One of my proudest, I guess, achievements here at this. At the center. It's just been wonderful to see the way in which people have. Have come together to support one another and use their experiences that might have felt impossible to overcome at the time, to provide hope and provide joy for someone else who might be in the same spot. And it's just been a real joy for me almost just to sometimes be a fly on the wall for that experience where I'm. I've almost. My favorite sessions have been ones where I've said nearly nothing and have just. Just asked people what their experiences were, just maybe. Maybe a connecting word or two. But it's been. Some of my favorites have just been moments where I just to be in silence.
[00:35:48] Speaker B: And the thing is that when you bring something like this into your healing journey, all the other therapies, I mean, we do a bunch of different things here on all the IVs, ozone, the detox strategies, all these different things. But when you bring something like music therapy alongside with all of these, they all work so much better. They're the powerful. The reception of the therapies, you know, it just heightened and exponentially improved the outcome.
[00:36:16] Speaker C: Absolutely. Yeah. If our bodies are not in a space to receive all the nutrients we're sending it, they're just not going to be utilized in the most effective way. Yeah. And.
Excuse me.
Yeah. Providing a space where we can sort of sit in that. In that place of healing for as long as we can possibly maintain it. Goes a long way way and having our bodies utilize those materials that we're sending in.
[00:36:41] Speaker B: Well, Carter, thank you so much and thank you for everything you're doing and thank you for all the lives that you're touching with the healing modality of music. Thank you so much.
[00:36:52] Speaker C: Thank you. Thank you for having me on here and allowing me a chance to speak on what I do. I'm very passionate about it.
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