Episode Transcript
[00:00:01] Speaker A: Welcome back to Integrative Lime Solutions with Dr. Carl Feld.
[00:00:05] Speaker B: I am so excited about the show that we have ahead of us.
[00:00:08] Speaker A: We have some phenomenal information that could save lives. I am Dr. Michael Carlfelt, and with me, I have my co host, Tanya Hobo.
[00:00:19] Speaker B: You're going to need to tune in to what's going on today. The information is unpacked. So, yeah, don't step away.
[00:00:29] Speaker C: So excited. Let's go ahead and get this started.
Welcome to Integrative Lyme Solutions with Dr. Carl felt. And I am so excited. I've got both of my favorite doctors in the studio today. Of course, Dr. Carl felt and then our friend, Dr. John Harmon. Dr. Harmon recently released a book, how to reverse aging with copper peptides. And what's interesting about this is that copper peptides could do so many amazing things for our body and especially for those that are battling Lyme disease. So we're going to have a conversation all over the place. This is definitely going to be a fun, you know, I got these two in the room, so hopefully they don't try to crack too many jokes, but I'm excited for this. Dr. Harmon, thanks so much for joining us. We're excited to kind of dive into what this is all about.
[00:01:27] Speaker D: I'm excited to share this information with you, too.
[00:01:30] Speaker B: Yeah, that's going to be.
And, Dr. Harmon, you and I, we've known each other for a long, long time. We worked in the same office. And you do so many amazing things for so many people for so many years.
And it's so incredible that you've been able to bring this information out to the world because it is so sorely needed. I'd like to kind of preface so we can kind of have a practical understanding of what it is that you're going to talk about. And, Tanya, I don't think anyone would be better than you.
Tell us a little bit about how you experienced copper peptide and what that did in your life. I mean, since this is a Lyme podcast and you're dealing with Lyme, a lot of people out there are suffering pain, brain fog, inflammation, all of these things.
[00:02:22] Speaker C: Yes, absolutely.
And that's why I'm excited about this, because I just think that there's so much that just us little people that aren't doctors don't know about copper peptides, and I got to really experience them. So as if you're a regular listener to us, you know that I've been in remission for some time, but even getting into remission from Lyme, I still had many, many symptoms.
I had chronic pain, which I got regular steroid injections for. I was on strong pain meds for. And I just assumed that was just going to be my life. It was okay because I knew my name. I could drive. I could do a lot of things I couldn't do when I was sick. So I had the chronic pain, I had the brain fog. My fatigue was.
If I was really busy for three or four days, I would need a down day, and then I would be good.
But it definitely still affected my life. But like I said, I was sick for so many years, and I couldn't drive, and I didn't know my name, and I didn't know what a checkbook was. So to have my life back, I was okay with that. And then I got introduced to how to activate my own copper peptides. And let me just say, I truly got my life back. It reversed everything that I had. Residual from my Lyme disease.
One of the biggest things that was a little mind blowing to me, and I know we're going to talk about this in a little bit, but a lot of us suffer with the mthfr mutation. And I had the form where my body doesn't detox very well, and my body doesn't know how to methylate certain things, and it really adds a lot of stress onto our bodies when we're dealing with Lyme. When you have this mutation and this copper peptide, I'm assuming that's what happened, I no longer have the mutation. So I truly have perfect blood work. I have zero symptoms. I have more energy than I know what to do with. In fact, if there's one downfall to this peptide, I got really used to taking naps when I was sick. I mean, it was kind of nice. I can't even take a nap. That's kind of ridiculous, but it's kind of awesome. On the other hand, so this has, of course, Dr. K changed my life, treating me with my Lyme, but this peptide truly just gave me my life back.
[00:04:58] Speaker B: That's incredible. That's incredible.
And that's the thing, is that a lot of people out there, maybe they're getting rid of the Lyme, they're using all these different therapies. But then you have kind of that post Lyme syndrome where it's not showing up in blood, but you're still pain, still not functioning optimally. And so then to be able to have a tool that cannot take you to that next step becomes so important. So, Dr. Harmon, tell me a little bit about why you get into this, and then obviously, taking the effort of writing a book, I mean, that's a big deal. That's a lot of energy.
So why take that leap? Why was that important to know?
[00:05:46] Speaker D: I think people who have dealt with something and then who have overcome something get really passionate about it and sharing it, that's what I've observed in Tanya with her Lyme and the fact that she overcame that. She just loves to share it with people. Well, my story was, first of all, I didn't know I had a right bundle branch block in my heart when I first started elevating my copper peptides. But I had a knee replacement surgery coming up, and I'd been using copper peptides for about four and a half months. And the PVCs that I had my entire life, I knew I had them when I was younger. I just didn't know what they were. I just had this fluttery thing. But I was a long distance runner. They don't affect PVCs, don't affect you when you're running. They affect you when you're at rest. And it would be kind of a fluttery feeling. But at about four and a half months in of using copper peptides, the PVCs got really strangely regular before they were random, and they got every fifth beat. And I measured it day and night. I would just. Yep, every fifth beat. So it was rather OD. And I had this knee replacement surgery coming up, and I thought, man, I got to go find out if something bad's going on. It appeared to be bad. So I had a stress echo done, and I'm so glad I had that done, because it documented what was going on.
And after the surgery, not surgery, excuse me, the test.
The cardiologist came in, and he said, your heart responded really well to exercise. And I wanted to say, yes, I knew that you just have these PVCs in a right bundle branch block. And I said, well, what causes that? And he said, well, just like the rest of the body, we have these apoptotic cells. They die off. They get killed off because they're old. We just can't replace them in the heart like we can the rest of the body.
And the light went on, and I have no proof of this, but this is what I thought.
GHK, copper peptide elevates production of your own stem cells. So I thought I increased them to a high enough concentration that it was able to start repairing things.
Two weeks later, the PVCs were gone.
Fast forward a year and a half.
Had another stress echo done. I get the test back. And it says, right, bundle branch block no longer present.
And two different doctors have said they've never seen one of those go away. So can I say 100% that it was from elevating my copper peptides? I can't 100%, but more likely than not, I mean, I sound like an attorney when I say that, but that's the language that we use. So I started digging into literature. What is this copper peptide stuff? And I got a little frustrated because there are 21 pages of studies, and I read studies, but no one else likes to dig through that. And I thought, someone has to put this into one place. And so I wrote the book how to reverse aging, a comprehensive guide to copper peptides. And there are 91 references to the studies that have been done. So, studies have been done since 1973.
And the key things, I think, that allude to what Tanya was saying. She said she had the mthfr that disappeared. Well, one of the big, well known functions of that copper peptide, the GHK copper peptide, is that it resets 4200 of our genes to a younger state.
Where there's oxidized genes, where there's damage, our body actually uses it to repair the endings of the genes. And then the big thing, and that's probably everyone's take home message from today, is that it is that peptide that is known in the literature to actually turn on the genes responsible for signaling the body to make more pluripotent stem cells. Stem cells are cells that haven't decided what they want to be when they grow up yet. They're floating around, hey, you need a liver cell. Okay, I'll be that. It's kind of like a chameleon. I'll be that for you.
Liver cell, a bone cell, whatever is needed in your body. So, when people are suffering with Lyme, what part of the body could be affected?
Any.
And so you have the ability to regenerate and repair by elevating stem cells on a daily basis. And we'll talk about other things.
Neuro regeneration. There are three chapters in the book about how it affects the brain, but the biggies resetting genes, activating your stem cells.
[00:11:07] Speaker C: Yeah. And there's many people in the Lyme community that, over the years, have delve into this stem cell therapy to try to reverse their Lyme disease, try to get rid of it. And I know nowadays you have to go out of the country, spend, what, $10,000 on maybe one injection? I'm not sure. A lot. A lot of money. It is with no guarantees.
This could be huge. For the Lyme community, absolutely.
[00:11:41] Speaker D: And speaking to that, that 1020 whatever, thousands of dollars. Stem cells are attracted to inflammation like a moth to a light.
But if the inflammation is too great, it's like a moth to a flame and the stem cells die. The doctor can't give you cortical steroids because they're antire generative. They will kill the stem cells, the cortical steroids. So it's a crapshoot. If the inflammation is too great, the stem cells die. And you just spent ten grand, whatever it is, for stem cell injections, as opposed to your body making more and elevating them every day. Kind of like a time release of your own stem cells for regeneration and repair.
That's a whole lot different than one big blast of stem cells in one day.
That's why it's so long term regeneration.
If you can elevate your stem cells on a daily basis, there's a lot of good things that are going to happen in the whole body.
[00:12:49] Speaker B: Well, just kind of looking at you, I mean, here you had dealt with this heart issue your whole life.
And the only kind of change, the only intervention that you did was then to bring this peptide on board on a daily basis. And all of a sudden it wasn't there. And obviously during that time, biologically, you weren't getting younger. So biologically it shouldn't reverse itself. It's not like we moved backward in time, time wise. But then looking, then adding the peptide, then the impact that it has on the stem cells and the potential it has and to heal tissue that is dysfunctional, even if it was there when you were young, when you were mean, it speaks to that. That is the thing that did it. Even though I know you can't say that that healed my, you know, that was the only intervention that you did.
[00:13:54] Speaker D: And you know what, Dr. Carfell? There were warning signs. And looking back two times I happened to be seated and I was writing chart notes. When we used to have to write them. Now they're all electronic. But I was writing notes and I had just finished at that time, I was doing chiropractic. I just finished adjusting a friend of mine. And all of a sudden everything just went black for about a second. And I said, mike, I just blacked out. He goes, well, nothing changed. Well, that happened twice. And also when I would bend over to pick something up off the floor and then I would stand up, I would get a little lightheaded. That is totally gone and has been ever since I started doing this. And I've never had any event like that. And the big change. We used to go, my wife and I used to go on walks. And there are some hills up behind our neighborhood. And before I started using copper peptides, by the time I got to the hill, I would try to run up the hill.
I couldn't do it. And it felt like my heart was going to pound out of my chest.
So now it's like nothing.
So I feel really fortunate, because if you look up, write bundle branch block on Pubmed, all cause mortality goes up. Because anything you have could potentially be worse. So forever great, forever grateful. And I turned 70 on my next birthday.
[00:15:33] Speaker B: That's awesome. That is awesome. And for all the viewers, I mean, I've known Dr. Hartford, or Dr. Hartford, Dr. Harmon for a long time. And he used to be bald. As you can see now his hair looks awesome.
[00:15:49] Speaker D: That got me. That's good.
[00:15:52] Speaker B: You all had awesome hair. But for kind of just the beauty aspect, there are some incredible effects just from that. And we know that the body in itself.
[00:16:06] Speaker D: Did he just call me beautiful?
[00:16:09] Speaker C: I'm still kind of trying to analyze something.
[00:16:11] Speaker D: I gave it a second and let it sink in.
Thanks, doc.
[00:16:16] Speaker B: You're very welcome.
Can we please edit that?
But the way the body works is that it goes to what is the most critical first and address that first. Which means that things like hair and skin, what we as people feel is important because it is our expression to the world. We feel that that should be done first, but the body looks upon survival first and goes to kind of more of the vital function. So when you see impact on hair growth, like skin rejuvenation and those type of signs, that means that all these other things have taken place prior to.
[00:17:00] Speaker D: Yeah, absolutely. That's a very good way of explaining that. My hair actually started turning brown from back to front. I have a picture at the top of my head where it was brown up to about right here and then gray along the front.
And that was pretty crazy. So it's well known in the literature about the cosmetic effects. Dermatologists have been using the GHK copper peptide in their lotions and creams and shampoos for decades. They were the first ones to catch on to this. And now it's well known.
Like I said, the 91 references in the book to different research that's gone on all over the world. And that's why I put it together in that book, so people could find out a lot easier than I did.
[00:17:47] Speaker C: Yeah, no, that's great. And you mentioned earlier that the stem cells are they know what they're supposed to do first?
So I've got to share this with you because I didn't, during my journey, know a lot about stem cells, and even after my journey, I didn't really know about them. So I get rid of Lyme disease, then I get breast cancer. Woohoo. Thanks for Dr. Carl felt. He specializes in Lyme and cancer. I was lucky.
So a few months after my diagnosis of breast cancer, I started elevating my copper peptides. And on day three, all of my chronic pain that I had for over 13 years went away, disappeared, gone. Like, what was that all about?
[00:18:31] Speaker D: Poof.
[00:18:32] Speaker C: And this went on for several months? Well, about three or four months later, I had my surgery to remove my tumor. And I woke up from surgery and all of my pain was back, like as if it never disappeared. And I thought, what in the heck is going on? I'm like, I don't know. I don't know, but just roll with it. A couple of months later, I woke up and my pain was gone again.
[00:18:58] Speaker D: So I did it again.
[00:18:59] Speaker C: I don't know. How do you explain that? Right?
You can't say what got rid of your right bundle branch block. But what did we do different? Just elevating our own pepper type.
[00:19:11] Speaker D: Well, and it's known in the literature to have really great anti pain properties and antianxiety properties as well.
Sometimes when I get talking about GHK, when someone's telling you in any situation the many benefits of something, there's always that thought that comes up, it sounds a little too good to be true. How could it help so many things like that? And that's another reason why I wrote that book, because I wanted to know, because testimonials are nice and they're good, and I love hearing people's stories. But to know the reason why that thing happened that they're telling me about was important to me. To know why that cardiovascular. I was odly attracted to this organ function study that I had read and the cardiovascular portion of it. And they elevated the copper peptide in this group of people for six weeks after measuring cardiovascular, all kinds of different measurements, both traditional and energetic. And after six weeks of elevating their peptide, their cardiovascular systems, I put it in quotes. They say acted. That's another way of saying reversed in age, but they can't say that. So they acted two months younger. So I did the math for every day I elevate my peptides, my cardiovascular system gets a day and a third younger.
That played out for me over a period of about two years where all of that stuff went away and my heart was in a much better, much healthier state. I didn't get lightheaded when I would bend over to pick stuff up. I didn't feel like my heart was going to pound out of my chest running up that hill.
But that's just one thing in the cardiovascular. One of my other goals in life is to remember who I am when I'm old.
That peptide, speaking of brains, it helps with neuro regeneration.
The GHK copper peptide actually is what carries copper through the blood brain barrier to deliver it where it's needed to make neurons, neurotransmitters, and synapses, the connections between the neurons. So you have to have that. It's what actually brings the copper into the brain and then holds onto it until it's needed and then gives up the copper. So you can make things like that. So it helps me with one of my other goals of remembering who I am and not meeting a new person in my house every 15 minutes. Who's my spouse.
[00:22:08] Speaker B: Your 51st dates.
[00:22:10] Speaker D: Yes, exactly.
[00:22:13] Speaker B: We'll have a little move in the morning, playing to make sure that you know.
[00:22:17] Speaker D: Yes.
Those are some of my big goals.
[00:22:20] Speaker C: And that's huge in the lion community.
[00:22:22] Speaker D: Because that's why I brought it up.
[00:22:24] Speaker C: I didn't know my name, and the.
[00:22:27] Speaker B: Brain fog is real, and the thing with the brain is that we don't recognize that it is most.
[00:22:36] Speaker C: Sorry, I couldn't hold it any longer.
[00:22:39] Speaker B: We'll just add it.
[00:22:41] Speaker C: What in the world happened to me?
[00:22:43] Speaker B: Get so excited?
[00:22:47] Speaker D: Well, we're not live.
[00:22:51] Speaker C: I don't think I've ever done that before.
[00:22:54] Speaker D: I saw you struggling over there.
[00:22:55] Speaker C: Yeah, I was. And I was waiting for the light.
[00:22:57] Speaker D: To push in the microwave water, and.
[00:22:58] Speaker C: I'm like, okay, I can't do this.
Good thing I'm in a room with two doctors.
[00:23:07] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:23:07] Speaker D: Well, we can do mouth to mouth.
[00:23:10] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, my gosh.
[00:23:12] Speaker C: Okay, so before that, what were we talking about?
[00:23:15] Speaker D: We always try acupuncture, CPR before we do mouth to mouth, don't we?
[00:23:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
He's had some events at our center.
[00:23:22] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:23:23] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh.
[00:23:24] Speaker C: I'm not sure what that was.
I'm glad it was just you.
[00:23:37] Speaker B: We're good. Like, the king of Denmark is not important. Excuse me.
[00:23:41] Speaker D: Denmark, Sweden and Norway.
[00:23:43] Speaker B: Exactly. You got all Scandinavia right here in the room.
[00:23:49] Speaker C: Oh, my goodness. Okay. Sorry, guys.
[00:23:51] Speaker D: It's all right. So good.
[00:23:54] Speaker B: I've seen worse.
[00:23:56] Speaker D: I've had worse.
[00:23:57] Speaker C: Good thing we got a great producer, right.
[00:24:00] Speaker B: Tell me when you're ready.
[00:24:01] Speaker C: Am I going to lose that? Let me make sure I can talk and that it's not going to go away.
[00:24:05] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:24:06] Speaker C: I think I'm good.
Does it look like I just cried?
[00:24:10] Speaker B: Well, it's touchy information.
Okay, I'll just start with my little spiel. Whenever you're ready.
[00:24:21] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:24:23] Speaker B: Yeah. What we don't realize is the brain.
It's one of the most metabolically active organs, and when we are inflamed, so, one, we need a lot of energy production there.
But two, if we deal with inflammation, neuroinflammation, the brain is going to get hit. So the beauty with stem cells, and also the GHK copper is that it helps to quench that inflammation. And with stem cells, I know that it's not just kind of the stem cells that go to location and help to regenerate an area and become whatever it is that they're supposed to become, but they are like the personalized pharmacy of whatever location that they go to, and they secrete all these different specific chemicals that are exact for what that area needs. So to be able then to have for the brain. And we all thought that nerves can't heal. When a brain cell dies, it dies. But here we have then sciences are showing the opposite. And then to be able then bring in tools that are able then to support that area. Because even beyond Lyme, which obviously impacts our nerves, impacts our brain.
Alzheimer's dementia is becoming.
That is truly a pandemic. It is becoming worse and worse. And I can point at a lot of different things, but then to have a tool to be able to reduce the risk of being coming over that age where you're no longer able to function cognitively the way that you'd like, and then also putting your spouse, or maybe you are the one having a spouse, to kind of put them in that place where they're having to care for you, and you're not able to kind of be the person you like to be.
[00:26:25] Speaker D: Yeah. And on that same note, we lose 2000, excuse me, we lose 9000 neurons a day. We only replace somewhere between 2000 to 4500 of them every day. So I always ask people in my practice, because we deal with brain things, what are you doing to decrease the loss and what are you doing to increase the gains?
And it is that GHK copper peptide that is essential in the regeneration of those neurons that are lost. And here's one of the reasons why you have to have copper in order to make a substance called BDNF brain derived neurotropic factor GHK is what delivers it there. So what is that? BDNF, your brain makes decisions. Hey, she's done that at least 45 seconds every day for the last three days. She's probably going to want to do it again. So hey, let's build some more neurons so she can do it better and make thousands of connections so we have finer control over that. Those are new neurons, and that's what neuroplasticity is all about. So we do a new task, we learn how to do it. We grow new neurons, we're building new neurons to compensate for the ones that we're losing. The 9000 that are getting old and they're going to die. And we need to replace those in order to be able to remember who you are when we get old, in order to not be meeting that new person in our house, and to not go into the kind of accepted slow slide into frailty and disability.
And that's what the book is all about, is not accepting that and that aging doesn't have to be this decline into that frailty and disability, but maintaining your vigor and your vitality and your brain into the old aging years, but not being old in body and maintaining that. And that's the exciting thing about the copper peptides.
[00:28:41] Speaker C: Gosh. So it's not just good for you to remember your wife, but it's good for the aging process. But. Okay, so now let's kind of get back a little bit to so much of what us Lyme people struggle with, our immune system, our mitochondria. What does this peptide do for that? How could that help us?
[00:29:06] Speaker D: That is a very important thing, not just for Lyme, but for athletes.
People concerned about he who can stay in the gym longer, because I have more energy, and he who can recover faster can get back in the gym sooner, can be that better athlete. So the GHK influences what's called cytochrome c in the mitochondria. That's the final stage of making ATP energy. So it accelerates that process.
It is also very important and active in the movement or the availability of oxygen when we're working out.
And I'll never forget the first time I heard this. I was a news watcher when I was a kid, and I was watching the news and they talked about how exercise is actually harmful for you. At first, it actually damages the body. And I was a teenager, what the heck? I thought working out was good for you. That's crazy. Well, it's true.
We break things down first.
It causes a lot of oxidative stress. The GHK helps repair that.
And I can attest to this myself.
I don't get sore even when I work out a long time, even when I shoveled gravel and moved it around my yard all day long. My neighbor came out and said, you're like a machine.
Like that. I didn't get sore. And this is what people that I've talked to that I helped increase their copper peptide is they can work out longer and not get sore because of the damage that's caused by working out is repaired quickly. Now, you're making energy better so you can work out longer.
But here's the other thing.
There's a chemical reaction that occurs when there's hypoxia, or a deprivation of oxygen in a muscle. Now, that applies to skeletal muscle, but it also applies to the heart. So when there's a decrease in oxygen, the sequence of events have to happen. And your body secretes this stuff called hiF, hypoxia inducible factor one, that calls on, bring out the GHK. It's the GHK copper peptide that goes on site and activates enzymes that poke holes in the muscle and then smooth muscle goes on their capillary growth. So you're working out, you're trying to build muscle. In order to get oxygen to that new muscle you're building, you have to have more capillaries.
And so it's the GHK that plays a role in bringing in those new capillaries, which is important in working out, but it's also important in our heart.
Mi, myocardial infarction. That's the definition of a deprivation of oxygen. So if you have ample GHK, there is literature that says that it actually inhibits that process. So it actually helps repair or bring oxygen into either your muscles, your skeletal muscles, or the heart muscle when it senses. Man, there's not enough oxygen in this area. Let's grow some more capillaries in here just to be safe. We want to make sure you have enough oxygen here. And that was astounding to me when I was doing all this research about that.
[00:32:55] Speaker C: So, of course, I'm in the house with two doctors, right? So I'm not all scientificies, but what you did say that kind of rang a bell in my head, was he mentioned ATP.
So I know that a lot of us with Lyme disease, especially with babesia, we suffer with air hunger.
And I know Dr. K, one of the things that he gave to me when I was struggling with air hunger. I mean, it was so bad that the doctors thought I had sleep apnea, which I absolutely did not. Thank goodness, Babesia, that I didn't have the years prior, but he put me on ATP 360, and lo and behold, I had no air hunger. It was pretty amazing. So I'm assuming this kind of correlates with that.
[00:33:45] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely.
Oxygen drives. You talked about cytochrome C, and then you need oxygen in order to be able to produce the energy within the cell. But then when you talk about the stem cells, like the GHK coppers, supports a release of more stem cells. But what happens when you have young stem cells that are being released or healthy stem cells, what they do is that they donate healthy mitochondria to the old stem cells to rejuvenate the mitochondria. And the mitochondria is like the energy factory of the cell. So now you have these new stem cells coming out, and they have all healthy and strong, robust energy producing systems within it. And then you have the tired stem cells, the ones that have been working in the factory for a long time, they're exhausted, and all of a sudden they get. I don't do Red Bull, but just for. Just kind of a shot of Red Bull, and all of a sudden, they're up and running and vital again.
That's the beauty with, when you bring in healthy stem cells and GHK, copper is fantastic. And then increasing that release of the stem cells, it's really incredible. At the end of the day, any kind of disease is an energy deficiency. That's all it is. Do we have enough energy to repair? Do we have enough energy to fight off this infection? Do we have enough energy to deal?
And inflammation is just a signal to the body saying that, hey, come, there's something that needs to be repaired here. And if the body doesn't have the energy to correct that tissue or complete that repair, that inflammation stays chronic. So at the end of the day, all of those things are energy deficiencies. And so if we can then bring in tools that will correct that, then air hunger goes away, inflammation goes away, tissue is regenerated, nerves are restored, all these different things. And that's why what you're saying is that it sounds too good to be true. How can something be able to correct so many things?
People dealing with arthritis or dealing with dementia, or dealing with pain or dealing with digestive issues, dealing with, whatever it may be, heart issues, is because at the core of it, it is this energy deficiency. And if that is corrected, then all of these projects can then be dealt with and fixed.
[00:36:32] Speaker D: I like what you said about that. And one more thing is detoxing. If I don't have energy, I got to store it. I can't get rid of it, which then causes more inflammation and then a buildup of toxicity, which then can damage the genes because of toxicity, and that's a descending spiral into sickness. And what's wrong with me? Well, I don't know. There's so much going on, I can't even give it a diagnosis. Some things you can't really diagnose because there are so many things going on. And it's one of the things that I've seen over the last four years where people have so many things, and they say, well, my doctor says this, and this is my prognosis. Here's one thing I can say with 100% certainty. There are no doctors who include this in their expectations. When telling a patient about what to expect in their life or what their prognosis is, they're not going to say, or they're not going to include in their analysis. This person is going to be elevating their stem cells every day.
It changes everything.
It changes everything.
I've seen so many people, and I've interviewed them, who've had things that we were just talking about. I mean, a lot of named stuff that we won't even talk about. And I interview these people, and then they have no pain.
They've had the diagnosis of rheumatoid arthritis for 65 years, and now they have no pain. And people will say, well, did it cure them? And I said, who cares?
Who cares if they don't have an official diagnosis from a doctor? If they don't have that symptom, then their life is normal. And so that's what would be very encouraging to your listeners, is that no matter what someone has or anyone has told you or what your expectations are, the entire game changes if you can elevate your stem cells every day. And that's a take home message right there and encouraging and give people hope.
[00:38:53] Speaker C: Now, it was an absolute game changer for me. And so we talk about inflammation. I lost, was it seven pounds in the first four days? And I thought, wow, I'm trying to think, am I not eating? Does this make me not hungry? I don't know. No. I think it was just the inflammation that was coming off my body, because I've had inflammation for so many years with my Lyme disease, although we got a lot of it under the control. But I think that that was kind of where my pain stemmed from, right?
Yeah. To lose that inflammation was a game changer for me, for sure.
[00:39:30] Speaker D: Yeah, absolutely.
I wanted to, hopefully there's time, talk about a couple of cardiovascular things that is known in the literature.
So we talked about the heart muscle not having enough oxygen, but there's the other part of cardiovascular disease, and that would be stroke. So you got stroke or myocardial infarction. Number one killer.
That same peptide inhibits a gene that makes part of a substance called fibrinogen. Fibrinogen makes our cells sticky, our blood cells, they have to have a little bit of stickiness, otherwise you just bleed out instead of clotting where you have a leak, so to speak. So it helps normalize fibrinogen levels, and it also activates a substance called myostatin, which inhibits heart failure. So you got a decreased risk of stroke and a decreased risk of heart failure, all from the GHK copper peptide. And that's why I kept saying, it seems like it's too good to be true. But those aren't my words.
This is what is found in the literature. You can go on Pubmed and type in GHK copper peptide. It's all there if you love reading studies.
[00:41:02] Speaker C: And another reason why you wrote the book reverse aging with GHK copper peptide.
[00:41:07] Speaker B: Right?
[00:41:08] Speaker D: Because I know most people don't like reading that stuff.
[00:41:11] Speaker C: No. And then we go and we google things. And again, I always say, if you have a symptom, don't google it because you're dying. And this disease, doctor, Google all of that. Yeah, exactly.
So it's hard to find accurate information when you're googling things. So you just put all of that in this great, wonderful, comprehensive guide about copper peptides. Made it so easy for us non doctors.
[00:41:36] Speaker D: The book is very understandable. There are a couple of pages when it comes to the names of genes and numbers and all that stuff, it's a little bit blah, too much of that. But most of the rest of the book is good.
[00:41:47] Speaker C: I've read the whole thing, of course, not cover to cover like I read most books. I went picked through my different chapters, but I finally have read the whole thing now. And it's incredible. And it is very easy to understand, even for somebody that doesn't know all this scientific stuff. But yeah, amazing stuff. Amazing stuff.
[00:42:07] Speaker B: Here you're talking about your mthfr SNPs and how that was corrected. But over and above, just kind of your genetic SNPs, you have something called epigenetics where what we do in life now and how we nourish our bodies, stressors that we produce onto our bodies, how that changes how the genes we have, how they behave. And so by then bringing in tools like this, maybe not all your genes are changed, but you're going to maximize the function of the genes that you have. It's kind of like, let's say you have a genetic dysfunction, and we liken that at somebody just having one leg. But here you are giving then a tool for that individual now to have a prosthetic. So that's kind of using the lifestyle factors in order to be able to maximize what that individual has and give the genes the tools that they need to function. Almost normal.
[00:43:12] Speaker D: Wow. Yeah. That's good stuff, right?
[00:43:15] Speaker C: Very good stuff.
[00:43:16] Speaker B: So one thing that people always wonder about. So here you're bringing a tool, you're bringing this peptide into their life.
How quickly do people see results from that?
[00:43:30] Speaker D: I was thinking about that very thing when you were talking about the genes.
[00:43:33] Speaker C: Because we all want to be fixed in 24 hours.
[00:43:36] Speaker D: Absolutely.
[00:43:36] Speaker C: Give it to us straight.
[00:43:37] Speaker B: We're american.
[00:43:39] Speaker D: Exactly.
Some people have huge shifts right off. And this is my personal opinion. I think that has something to do with some gene was oxidized and not, we call it coding. It wasn't doing its job, and all of a sudden it gets repaired and something turns on that this person hasn't had or been able to do for years, and all of a sudden it's back. That's what I think happens in those instances.
But for me, I really didn't notice a lot for four and a half months.
But I knew just because of my background that if I can elevate my stem cells every day, a lot of good things would happen.
Some of the things over a period of time that people don't really talk about. They don't talk about hemorrhoids. It's part of your cardiovascular system. They don't talk about spider veins. And to notice anything changing like that, that's a long period of time. That's a lot of deep repair and regeneration that has to happen. But those are things that I've noticed actually in myself. It's kind of a personal subject. Back in my 20s, when my dad was diagnosed with colon cancer, I had bleeding hemorrhoids. I thought I was gone. I was blood in the stool. I'm gone. It only takes a drop to make an entire toilet the water red, and you think you're dying right away. But that's how long it's been going on. And when things go away, how do you talk about something you don't have? You don't sit there and think about it. And so things go away, and then somebody brings something up, and you realize, wow, I don't have that anymore. A case in point, a place where I get my hair cut. I used to always talk to the guy who cuts hair next to my barber, but he got really busy as well, so I hadn't spoken to him in probably three or four years. All this time when I was elevating the peptides, and he didn't have a client, so we stopped and chatted. And then he said, after a little while, he said, you don't fall asleep anymore.
Oh, my gosh. I used to fall asleep every single time I got my haircut. He was waking me up the whole time.
But I have more vitality and energy now that I don't fall asleep while I'm getting my haircut. It came from somebody else pointing that out to me. It's not something that I noticed. So lots of things like that happen when you elevate your stem cells. Everything's going to benefit.
[00:46:33] Speaker C: So, interesting. You said, so your barber doesn't actually think he's boring to you because you used to fall asleep on him, and now you're awake. So talk about things that we have and we live with, right.
Whether they truly affect our daily life or not. So outside of Lyme disease, when I was probably about 20, I got this paralyzed throat, is what the doctors called it. All of a sudden, one day, I couldn't swallow. Couldn't swallow my food, my saliva, nothing. It just froze. And of course, my mom freaks out. We go to the doctor, we try to figure out all this out, and all I kind of remember is that they were talking about stretching my esophagus or something.
I'm like, yeah, I don't know if I'm all into that kind of stuff, but it didn't happen all the time. Sometimes it happened once a week, once a day, once a month. Like, I didn't know. But when it happened, it was really weird to just not be able to swallow. And so that was when I was, like, 20, and I'm 52, and a couple of months ago, I realized I don't have it anymore. Don't know when it went away. Yeah, but I know it was sometime after elevating my copper peptide, but it's just things like that that didn't affect my life. It was annoying, but I knew what it was, so it didn't give me anxiety or scare me, but it's just amazing, obviously, what that peptide can repair in our bodies.
[00:48:04] Speaker D: Yeah. And I want to say also that your experience may be a little bit different. Not everybody's the same, and we're not making any recommendations or prognosis or diagnosis for any treatment of any disease or disorder.
But what we are saying is that elevating that peptide has a lot of benefits. The number one is that it elevates production of your own stem cells. That's the big thing right there.
[00:48:37] Speaker B: Yeah.
What does it feel like when your heart function improves from 35% to 55%? We may not feel that much different. Or your kidneys, all of a sudden, they are getting regenerated, and now they are functioning at x percent more. Right. So it may not feel like anything happening, but there's a lot of things going on in the bodies or a lot of repair taking place, and it may then take time until you start to recognize, oh, like you're saying, I don't feel that anymore, or all of a sudden, somebody sees you don't fall asleep anymore while getting your hair cut.
And that happens frequently as well. When patients come into me, if I don't take notes of the issues that they've had, then it's like they've forgotten that they had those issues.
[00:49:37] Speaker D: Absolutely. Pain gone. Is pain forgotten?
[00:49:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:49:41] Speaker C: Well, and I think that's the biggest thing. So many people get hyper focused on one thing. And for me, I remember the very first time I came to see you, Dr. K. I'm like, I have Lyme, but I have pain.
I don't know about this lyme. I don't know what's going on, but the pain is killing me. You're hyper focused on the pain, so I didn't know that.
People don't understand that.
Maybe your pain didn't go away, but something else got fixed that was more important, because you're just focused on that pain.
[00:50:13] Speaker D: And pain is easy to measure, whereas kidney filtration, you actually have to have a test or my blood chemistry panel, or liver function. So I actually ask people that when they're starting to elevate their copper peptide, and they make comments like, I want to see how this works for me. And I always say, well, what are you going to be measuring?
[00:50:41] Speaker C: Good question. Yep.
[00:50:42] Speaker D: Is it something subjective like pain? That's easy.
But like Dr. Carlfitz said, sometimes the pain is the last thing. It had to fix your liver because the inflammation was caused because your liver was sick. And that's why your knees hurt. So you can't direct stem cells where they need to go. And so I just tell people, have a little patience. Knowing that, man, if you can elevate your copper peptide and your stem cells for at least a month, for every decade of your life, you're going to get a lot of deep regeneration and repair. And specifically, we don't treat diseases or disorders. We just help people be the best they can be.
And younger in body.
Luckily, we still have our age, I mean, our years. Otherwise, the consequences are quite dire. But younger in body, so that you work your whole life and then you retire, and then you don't have much body left. If you can stay vibrant and healthy through those later years, that's the difference between you are healthy enough to go visit someone and to travel, rather than being homebound, and other people have to come to visit you. So if those first two that I mentioned, I remember who I am, I'm not meeting a new person in my house, and I'm the one who gets to go travel, that means I have my joints, I can move around, I have my vitality, and I know people and I recognize them. If those things are true when you're in your 90s, that's a quality older, later years in life to me.
[00:52:39] Speaker B: And it's important also the distinction. I mean, what we're talking about here is regenerative medicine, where we regenerate. And when you go to a medical doctor, they are not focused on regenerative medicine.
There's some that specialize in that, and they use things like myself. We use peptides and stem cells and exosomes, IVs, and a bunch of different things that we do. But for a normal medical doctor, it's all about symptom management. So you diagnose a disease, and that's why with Lyme, it's so hard to diagnose a disease because it is a great mimicker.
And then they give you then something to manage those symptoms.
And a symptom is just the body communicating, saying, hey, something is wrong, please do something, otherwise the system is going to get even worse. So what we do then, medically, is that we just kind of shut off that symptom and tell the body to please be quiet and let me go on with my day. I know the tire is going to fall off, but I still want shut.
[00:53:50] Speaker D: Up and sit down.
[00:53:51] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. I still just want to drive, and then the tire will fall off, and then we'll deal with worse issues. But this is regenerative medicine, so.
[00:54:02] Speaker D: It'S.
[00:54:03] Speaker B: Not managing or sticking a band aid on it. No, it's not symptom management of a disease, because we're not treating disease. We are supporting health. We're regenerating tissue.
We're helping the body, coaching the body to do what it naturally should do so that it has the tools to do it.
[00:54:25] Speaker D: Absolutely.
[00:54:26] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:54:26] Speaker D: It was well said.
[00:54:27] Speaker C: Yes.
Like you said, we're not claiming anything. We're not anything. The science is there. That's why you did the work for us. Put it in the book.
[00:54:37] Speaker D: So people don't have to do that.
[00:54:39] Speaker C: Exactly.
[00:54:39] Speaker D: Everybody doesn't have to do that. And to be able to have the science part already done. Since 1973, the peptide was discovered by Dr. Lauren Picard. I think he should get that Nobel Prize for medicine. I'm actually friends with him on Facebook now.
[00:54:58] Speaker C: Oh, that's kind of cool.
[00:54:59] Speaker D: Yeah. You know what they did? They took old liver cells and put them in a petri dish and then put the GHK copper peptide in there. It actually reversed the age of the old liver cells, and they started making peptides and proteins and enzymes like new liver cells.
[00:55:21] Speaker B: That's how cool.
[00:55:22] Speaker D: Old liver cells that reverse the age. So they said, there must be something to this. That's where the whole thing started, really. 1973?
[00:55:31] Speaker C: Well, so speaking of liver. So I had a fatty liver, and the last time I did some blood work, there was a student doctor coming in, and I go and see my oncologist, even though they didn't treat my cancer. Dr. K. Does I go in there just for routine labs that they will do for me. And I had my blood work checked, and they had know. Hey, we have a student coming in. Can the student come in and listen in? And I assumed it would be the oncologist and then the student, and it wasn't. It was just the student, which I thought was a little interesting, but not a big deal. Right. So we're talking, and he goes, he looked at me, and he looked at the paperwork, and he looked at me again. He goes, I know I'm not supposed to ask you this, and I can probably look in your record. He goes, you are not in your 20s, but your liver panel is telling me you are, like, just the most random thing ever. And I was like, what did you just say?
And that was just a couple of months ago?
[00:56:40] Speaker D: Yeah. Wow.
[00:56:41] Speaker C: Isn't that crazy?
[00:56:43] Speaker D: So your age? The age of your liver?
[00:56:47] Speaker C: Yes. Isn't it?
[00:56:48] Speaker D: Is someone in his 20s? Her 20s?
[00:56:51] Speaker C: Her 20s? Yeah. I'm not sure peptides will do that. Don't want peptides to do that. I'm good being a female. Okay, I'll be the princess. You guys can be the kings.
[00:57:01] Speaker D: There's a deeper story to that that we won't go into now, but yeah.
[00:57:07] Speaker B: Our heritage, that's all we'll it well, Dr. Harmon, this has been amazing. You're doing amazing work.
Your book is incredible. It is really giving people a lot of understanding of what they can do, practically to live a longer, healthier life. And these are the kind of tools that we need, especially with all the extra stressors we deal with in the world. More toxins, the pace of life is faster, more EMF, more, I mean, all these different things and more stressors. So we got to balance that out with better, stronger tools to be able to kind of negate some of that effect. And you're really bringing forth the science and making in a concise way in this great book. And thank you so much for spending the time with us.
[00:58:00] Speaker D: Thank you. I had so much fun. Yes, it's good to be chatting with Dr. Carlfeld again. As he said, we were in the same office. I was subleasing space from him and his clinic, and we had a great time there for five or six years and developed a great friendship. So it's been great. Thanks for a your kind words and giving me a forum to get the word out to your listeners about copper peptides.
[00:58:30] Speaker C: Thank you. Absolutely. We need that. So anybody the listeners wants more information, go into the title of this episode. We'll have Dr. Harmon's book information in there and then exactly how you can elevate your own copper peptides. Thanks so much, Dr. Harmon.
[00:58:45] Speaker D: I bet. Thanks for having me.
[00:58:47] Speaker B: Thank you.
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