[00:00:01] Speaker A: Welcome back to Integrative Lime Solutions with Dr. Carl Feld.
[00:00:05] Speaker B: I am so excited about the show that we have ahead of us. We have some phenomenal information that could save lives.
[00:00:13] Speaker C: I am Dr. Michael carlfelt, and with.
[00:00:16] Speaker A: Me, I have my co host, Tanya Hobo.
[00:00:19] Speaker B: You're going to need to tune in to what's going on today. The information is unpacked, so, yeah, don't step away.
[00:00:29] Speaker D: So excited. Let's go ahead and get this started.
Welcome to Integrative Lime Solutions with Dr. Carl felt. And today our guest, Nate is coming all the way from nashville. And, I mean, I love all of our guests, but, gosh, I just really love it when somebody has an accent. So of course we sound weird to them. They sound great to me. So, anyways, Nate, thank you so much for joining us. We're excited to meet you and have you and to hear your.
[00:01:03] Speaker C: Oh, well, thank you for having me. I'm honored to be here. And, yeah, like we were talking before the show, anything that we can help spread awareness and help people make it through this journey of lime, I'm happy to help, and I'm honored to be here.
[00:01:14] Speaker B: And you were saying that lime is rampant down in Tennessee. Is that where you got it originally?
[00:01:23] Speaker C: So I was born in south central Kentucky and grew up in the outdoors. Started going hunting and fishing when I was four or five years old, and spent every single summer fall in the woods from the time I was then till about 25 years old to where I got it, I don't really know. I guess that's kind of a good jumping off port.
It's like probably about three years ago was when I found out I had Lyme, but I've been struggling with symptoms of Lyme for probably 15 years. Wow. And had went through.
I'll let get into it more in a second, but to answer your question more specifically, when I first found out I had it, my doctor had specifically said that I had probably been infected multiple times over the years and that it was hard to know how long she thought I had had it, but she thought it had been a long time.
[00:02:32] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm betting kind of running around in the woods that you're exposed, you bit, and probably your immune system was strong enough and you're enjoying life and you weren't impacted that much. And then second infection, 3rd, fourth, and then there you are.
[00:02:49] Speaker C: Well, and just to add insult to injury and kind of also piggyback on the question about how bad is it here in Tennessee? So we're in north central Tennessee, outside the Nashville area.
I've been in a Lyme treatment regiment now for about two and a half years, I guess. And last spring I had been going and getting various different treatments, including ozone and some things like that, to help. And I had seen my doctor on like a Wednesday, and I had been out just kind of preparing things for the upcoming deer season. Just out around. It was April or May, just looking around about the time in Tennessee when the ticks start to get bad again.
And I had always check myself when I get back, and I checked myself, didn't see anything. And then, so that was on like a Thursday, it was Sunday.
I was sitting there on the couch and I felt something in my groin area, and I was like, what is that? And I had a tick fall off and it had been on there three days, and it was maybe the size of a pen top. So as engorged as it could be over three days, it was only that size. So I mean, to be able to find it pre would have been nearly impossible.
[00:04:15] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:04:17] Speaker C: And literally within, by that afternoon, the lymph node in my groin had swollen. And I called the doctor and I said, hey, this is what happened.
She's like, can you find the tick? I said, no, it fell off of me. She said, well, we can come in. And she has this ability to just test that area and sure enough, got bit.
Here you're.
[00:04:45] Speaker B: Yeah, here you've been working so hard and kind know, clearing this out and then boom, here it.
[00:04:52] Speaker C: I thought, you know, maybe it's just bad luck, but it could also be a sign of how bad it is in Tennessee as.
[00:04:57] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So even though you're being extra careful, extra check yourself, they still sneak in.
[00:05:07] Speaker C: Yeah, but that's the only time ever, and probably because I was being hyper vigilant, did I ever find a tick on me and ever associate ever with being bitten and, or having any type of immediate bodily reaction, like a swollen lymph node or any type of soreness or anything like that. And according to my doctor, I've probably been bitten five, six times by an infected tick.
[00:05:33] Speaker D: Yeah. And that's kind of crazy that you immediately kind of felt the swollen lymph node from it, but, yeah. So I think most people, at least that have gone through Lyme or even are familiar with, know when we go outdoors and we do things, we do, we check ourselves, and I'm telling you, one day I'm going to end up with scars all over my body because I'll be in the mirror, like, scratching something, and next thing I know. I'm like, tanya, it's a freckle. It's nothing there. It's a freckle. Like, trying to pull these freckles out of my body. But, like you, I literally have never seen a tick on me. I did. I got bit in my front yard relandscaping it years ago, and I never. Up till. Was it two years ago? I've never seen a tick in real life, ever. I've never seen.
[00:06:18] Speaker C: Oh, wow.
[00:06:19] Speaker D: I was landscaping my front yard a couple of years ago in a different state, and there was a tick. Talking about PTSD. Like, I jumped up, I freaked out, I went inside. I'm like, oh, my gosh. But, yeah, I've literally. I've seen one tick in my life. I've seen lots of pictures, obviously, right? But I've never seen one other than that.
[00:06:40] Speaker C: That might be a sign of kind of how bad it's gotten recently, but like I said, and then maybe again, maybe it's been in this region for way longer. We're just now becoming more educated and more exposed to it, and people are becoming more aware that they're infected, because I can remember being a kid teenager and picking 20, 30, 40 ticks off of me at a time, but at that point, we would have long clothing on and would even sometimes tape our ankles or our wrists or whatever and spray bug spray on or whatever on the outside of our clothes, which may not be the method that's best, but we're talking about, like, 96, 97 at the time. And really, if I can remember, it was a conversation. Well, lime's not down here. That's a Connecticut thing. Lime's not down in the south. That's a northern thing. And I think they'd probably gotten to us at that point and had been around for a while. I would say I was probably 15 or 16 years old when I probably first got infected, but it was probably a decade later before the symptoms got worse enough for me to actually start to notice it.
[00:07:52] Speaker D: Can you imagine knowing what we know now about Lyme pulling, like, 40 ticks off of us at a time?
Just kill me now or something.
I don't know. I would freak out like nothing else. Yeah.
[00:08:10] Speaker C: To put it in perspective. I mean, it was nothing for us to been out in the woods and take a lint roller and just roll our legs up and down and get 1520 off in an afternoon.
[00:08:20] Speaker B: That's insane.
[00:08:21] Speaker D: Yeah. I could never live where it's like that. Yeah. I would be afraid to go outside.
[00:08:29] Speaker C: That's not an anomaly. That's a common occurrence down here.
[00:08:32] Speaker B: Now, I've never had lime that I know of, but after doing this show for three plus years, you don't want.
[00:08:43] Speaker D: To have it for sure.
[00:08:44] Speaker B: No, I don't want to be in that position.
[00:08:46] Speaker D: Yeah. That's crazy. No, but lint rollers work great. In fact, I think it was last summer I discovered that they actually have lint rollers for pets, which just make it extra sticky. Those things are amazing, because I do. I'll lint roll myself, and then I'll lint roll my little dog, too, when we get back from being that there may be some ticks out there and. Yeah, so they work great.
[00:09:12] Speaker B: Okay.
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[00:11:13] Speaker D: Okay, so we're going back to we don't know when. So when were your first signs? Know, kind of hindsight now know, you know, you probably had it for many years. What were your symptoms that you had?
[00:11:27] Speaker C: Well, when I first got bad enough for me to go seek treatment or help in some sort, I'll be 40 this year. And the reason I know this is my daughter is eight now, and this was, like, a month and a half after she was born, so I would have been 32.
[00:11:45] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:11:46] Speaker C: And I noticed that I was just like, of course, having a newborn baby is one thing, but I had hit a wall, like, mental brain fog, lethargy, just lack of drive. I mean, it was all of the list of symptoms, including just.
I wasn't really suffering from anxiety or depression, but it felt like getting up in the morning and going anywhere was, like this massive thing, and there was nothing, no life event that would warrant that type of reaction. And I went to the doctor, and a man in his early 30s starting to experience those type of symptoms. What's the first thing? Low T.
So they checked me for that, and they said, well, you do have low t, but before we put you on any testosterone, we want to check you for sleep apnea. And come to find out, I had sleep apnea as well. So there was these two major things that obviously would help with those symptoms. Right? So I went down probably a four year journey of trying to fix the way I felt with those things. And let's say there's 100% of how bad I felt. Those things helped me about 25%. So I did feel about 25% better, but there was still this 75% of just brain fog, lethargy. It was all of the things where my mind just felt like mush sometimes.
And that can be a sign of low testosterone, but not to the level that I had it. And my testosterone levels got to the range that they should have been for a person of my age. And my testosterone doctor, he said, buddy, he said, you should feel like Superman right now. He was like, I don't know what else to tell you. He said, we've got your sleep apnea fixed. Your testosterone is fine. He's like, I've ran every type of blood panel that I can run, and there's nothing else wrong with you.
He's like, maybe you should go see a psychiatrist or a psychologist. And I'm like, I'm not depressed. It's not anxious. I told him. I said the analogy that I gave probably six different doctors was like, I feel like I'm driving around a Lamborghini on, like, a 16th of a tank of gas.
I'm not depressed about who I am. I'm not confused about what I'm here to do. I don't have anything seriously bad going on in my life. There's no trauma. I just don't have any energy at all. And there was nothing that these doctors could find, these traditional docs, nothing.
[00:14:20] Speaker D: Did they mention several times that you're a new father? Like, you're just tired, you're a new father? Because we hear that about women, of.
[00:14:28] Speaker C: Course, in the first several months. Yeah. But after two or three years of this same thing, that wasn't it. And what I would also say is that it was probably the lack of sleep because of my new daughter that made it push it over the edge for me. But I had been feeling these symptoms for probably the previous six or seven years, but had just type A. I was a police officer at the time. Like, I'm stronger than this. This is just, I guess, got to suck it up, that type of thing, and just get through it. I didn't necessarily feel horrible, but I just didn't feel great.
And if I probably would have went to the doctor eight years before, I would probably would have gotten it when I was about 23 or 24 years old. I probably would have found out I had it then, too.
But at the time, like I said, I had a stressful job. I was working night shift. It was a lot of stuff that, of course you're tired, of course you don't have a whole bunch of energy kind of thing, but there was a lot of things that led up to it. And I think what ultimately had led to it was, and thank God it happened, let's say 32 years old, about four or five years. I was treating Lyme. I didn't know I had Lyme.
They thought I had just low testosterone and sleep apnea. And then I was flipping houses for a while and ignorantly would be in these houses without some type of a debris mask or air filter on and got exposed to some mold. And that really did a number on me, and I'm glad it did, because it's what ultimately helped me find the doctor, the treatment that I have found now.
But it got so bad.
I'd never had a panic attack in my entire life, and I started having really bad anxiety and panic attacks out of nowhere, and once again, no life event that would explain anything. I didn't have anything going on, just out of the blue, and it got to the point where my nervous system was so wrecked. I couldn't be around bright lights. I couldn't be around my kids.
I couldn't listen to music. I'm a songwriter. I couldn't play my guitar.
Just to sit upright in a lighted room was like climbing Mount Everest. And it was bad. And this was about three and a half, four years ago.
I laid in bed for about a week and a half, calling around, trying to find somebody, and I stumbled upon my doctor, now in Nashville. Her name is Summer White. She's a miracle worker. And I luckily got in to see her, and I walked in, and at this point in time, I'm having three, maybe four panic attacks a day. I can't drive. I can't work. My quality of life was miserable at best. And I got in there on the table, and I don't know how far we want to go to her methodology, but it's a bit unorthodox. It involves muscle testing first.
[00:17:53] Speaker D: You mean that voodoo stuff that Dr. K does?
[00:17:57] Speaker C: Oh, is that what you do, doc?
Listen.
And you know what? Sometimes it helps to be, this is what helped me open my note. And I told you, I have an entire podcast dedicated to things that's better in the woo woo space. And thank God for it, right, because it's what saved my life. But I'm laying on this table, and she's holding these things over my head and moving my arm around and some other things, and she looks at me and she says, I know what's wrong with you? And I was like, what? And here's what I'll say. This is what got me on this. I'd went to probably no less than five other doctors in this time frame that I had been having these panic attacks. And when I would walk out, I would look the doctor in the eye and I would say, how confident are you are that you know what's wrong with me, that you can help me? Every single one of them would say, hey, we're going to try our best, which I'm grateful for their honesty. And I understand in this sue happy, litigation happy world, they can't say, I know exactly what it is, I'm going to cure you. But I could just tell, energetic wise, they had no clue what was wrong with me. I could just tell.
When I sat up from that table and summer, my doctor looked at me, she said, this is what I thought. She said, you've got mold, a mold infestation in your body that's bad. She said, you've got a couple of different types of Lyme, at least. And she said, not to mention you've got Bartonella.
And she said, multiple tick borne infections. What she said, and she said, you've also got some toxicity of some cellular stuff in your body and some other stuff going on. But it was the combination of the lime with the Bartonella and the mold together that just sent my nervous system and my immune system just haywire. And it had been working so hard for so long that it just finally gave in.
It was bad, but I got on a treatment with her and my panic attack.
[00:19:53] Speaker D: Can I stop you there for a second?
[00:19:55] Speaker C: Absolutely.
[00:19:56] Speaker D: So did you ask her? Can she help you?
[00:20:00] Speaker C: Well, I'm glad you stopped me there, because what I asked her is, literally, this lady, granted, let me just say this.
It hadn't just been three weeks of panic attacks that I've been searching for someone to validate that something was wrong with me. It had been about ten years of me feeling like absolute shit, excuse my language, and no one be able to tell me what was wrong with me. It was such a validating feeling to someone say, no, there is something wrong with you. And these other people don't have any idea how to look for it and find it, and it's this. And I almost sit there and cry because it's one of those things that if you've never been through it, and, doc, I was surprised to hear you say that you haven't had it yourself. But to be a person that is so aware and empathetic, know, active and helping, it's tough to understand what people go through with Lyme if you've never been through it, because it's such a debilitating disease, illness. I don't know what you would classify it as, but it's so bad, and people just don't. They don't get it. And a lot of people I talk to that have been bitten, and they have symptoms. My symptoms progress slowly throughout, and. But if they progress rapidly and people don't understand, they have no understanding of how bad it is. But to answer your question, Tanya, I asked the doc, I said, listen, I'm not disrespecting your methodology here, but what just happened is.
[00:21:44] Speaker B: It's weird.
[00:21:45] Speaker C: It's weird.
[00:21:47] Speaker D: Not sure how to put it into words.
[00:21:50] Speaker C: My wife is the biggest skeptic of anything in the world, and she's sitting there next to me. She's been there by my side this entire journey, and she's also just as, like, what, lime?
And I said, how sure are you? I said, I'm not knocking your methodology. She looked me square in the eye. And she said, I'm 100% sure that this is what's going on and I'm going to fix you. And she said, and I'm going to go ahead and do blood tests right now to show you exactly everything that I found will show you in your blood work as well. And from that day forward, if that woman told me to run through a brick wall, I would do it, because she is a lifesaver. And I'm telling you what, I was already heading down the road, that traditional medicine had some gaps. But unless it's something major where I have to have life saving surgery, I'm going to go this route from now on.
I don't know.
There's so much more methodologies out there to help better help find the root cause of things and not just treat the symptoms, which is, I think, which is what modern medicine is all about, is just treating the symptoms and throwing pills at people.
Where she saved my life, I'm going to tell you right now, because if I would have had to continue living like I was living with four or five panic attacks a day and not even be able to be around my kids, I don't know what would have.
[00:23:15] Speaker B: No, no.
[00:23:17] Speaker D: And I'm glad that you really kind of touched on know first. We're initially saying, ok, this is like voodoo stuff.
You had a whole lot more faith in your doctor, honestly, than I did with Dr. K because I treated holistically, like three years prior to meeting Dr. K.
But I had never been introduced to this muscle.
Obviously we get along a little bit, but when I met him, I thought, okay, nice enough, man. He did some really crazy stuff on me. I bought what he told me to buy. I called my mom on my way home. I go, mom, I just got taken by this doctor. I guess I'm going to have to find someone else. And so I'm explaining to her what he did, and we're just like, who is this person? She goes, well, why did you buy all that stuff? I'm like, I don't know. I just did. And so I thought, I have it, I may as well take it. And I started feeling better. I thought, right, okay, maybe I should go back to him. But I mean, it's the whole thing of, it's amazing to finally get that validation that something is wrong with you.
But I think so many people either don't know, afraid to think outside the box and go with something more nontraditional.
You could have taken all the words out of my mouth when you said, know if I break my leg, please, yes, come in and fix know. Do what you need to do. But as far as anything else, like, poor Dr. K, he sees me for a cold. I don't have a primary doctor. You know what I mean? He's my go to guy.
And I think people need to experience this because it's pretty incredible. It's pretty incredible.
[00:25:05] Speaker C: It is. And you know what is so unfortunate about it, the other thing, too, is that if you're a modern doctor and you happen to hear this, this is not a knock, and not to go down some rabbit hole or some tangent here, but I think that there are some reasons why modern medicine, especially modern doctors, aren't in the loop about some of these things.
I think it's intentional that they're not trained and made aware of these things. But that being said, when I found out that I had Lyme in this method of testing, of course I couldn't shut up about it. I told everybody that I knew about. You're not going to believe this muscle testing that this doctor has done to me. And I'm starting to feel better.
My dad had been experiencing some random, a lot of different symptoms that are typical of Lyme. And of course, we grew up hunting in the same woods and same areas. And if we were out together, and I got it, I'm sure he got it. So I said, hey, man, you need to get a Lyme test done the next time you're at your doctor.
And he was like, all right. So about three weeks later, he called me, and he said, hey, I had a Lyme test done. I don't have it. And I said, okay, well, I mean, just let me know if you keep having your issues or whatever. And he did. They got worse and worse and worse. So I said, well, listen, man. I said, worst case scenario, come in here, see Dr. White, let her do her spill, and worst case scenario, she can tell you maybe you got something else going on, because it's not just Lyme that she finds. It's all kinds of stuff. And not only did my dad have Lyme, but he also had Rocky Mountain spotted fever. And what's unfortunate about it is he went to a medical doctor and had a blood test done, specifically asking, please test me for Lyme. And it came back negative.
So what does that say?
[00:27:04] Speaker D: What does that say about huge part of the problem is people, we don't have accurate testing, because I had three Lyme tests done over seven years, and they were all negative. Wow, the testing is wrong.
I don't know Dr. K, shed some light on this, because the testing is bad. We know a lot of it is.
[00:27:27] Speaker B: Yes, it's horrific, and a lot of things is that Lyme attacks the system we're testing, meaning that Lyme goes after the antibodies, goes after the immune system.
So now we're then testing for an antibody response, but if the immune system is not strong enough because it's been beaten up by Lyme, it's not going to show because it's not strong enough to be able to communicate. So you literally have to start to treat Lyme and then see if you're getting response, and then when you've been treating it for a bit, then you test, and then the immune system is strong enough to kind of indicate what's going on.
Go ahead.
[00:28:09] Speaker C: No, I was just going to say, so really, the only time a typical Lyme blood test would be effective is if you've never had Lyme before and you've just gotten bit.
[00:28:18] Speaker B: Yeah, pretty much.
It's these kind of acute lyme scenarios where you just got bit and you got to wait for. I can't remember, it's for a couple of weeks or so in order for an antibody response to come about, but then if you wait longer than that, then all of a sudden the immune system gets beaten up, and now the antibodies are not able to show it. So it's a really poor test. The Lysa, the western blot, they're really poor. So I'm curious, because your doc, she did the muscle testing, and then she said, I'll prove it with the test. So what test did she do and.
[00:29:06] Speaker C: What showed doc, I wish I could tell you. I'm not really sure exactly which method it was, but I know that she gave me the exact spill that you just gave me about the different types, and then the type of test that she said this was was not those things that you just said. It was something different. And she said, and this is why this is better. I remember, but I don't remember the technical term.
[00:29:29] Speaker B: Yeah. And what did your wife think after you left the first.
[00:29:34] Speaker C: Well, obviously my wife, she said, well, we'll just see. And then when the blood test came back in and everything was there that Doc White had told me that was there, she was like all, let's. Let's do it. Because when I left that first night, Doc had already given me a series of holistic protocol to start taking, and it was almost instantaneously, I started to feel a little bit better. And then within two weeks, my panic attacks went from four a day to two a day, and then within a month, I was only having one every other day, and then within three months, I was having two a week.
And it just slowly progressed from there and to the point where I got to where I was having one every six months. And I've gotten to the point now where in the series, like I said, I didn't have just Lyme going on, so how much of it was Lyme was causing this, or it was the multitude of all the things I had going on. But literally, like I said, that's been about two and a half years ago when all of this went down, and I was at my worst, and I've been really hitting the protocol hard with her for about two years after that. And I just noticed the other day, I texted her and I said, I guess this is the bad part about being so good at your job, is because when you heal people, they kind of fall out of touch. But I said, I haven't came and seen you in, like, four months, but I said, I just let you know I'm thinking about you and I appreciate all of the work that you do. And I said, I'm going to come in and see you here pretty soon. But, yeah, they become part of your life, Doc. I'm sure you know, when people are so bad, they're probably in your office several times a week. In the beginning, and I was in there getting IVs and all types of different stuff, but she saved my life. And thank God for the alternative holistic approach, because it's just not as known, as well known as it needs to be. And I personally believe that there are probably millions, if not tens of millions of people out walking around that have Lyme, that don't know they have it. I don't know. I think it's a whole lot of people, especially in the US, that are infected and don't have any idea.
[00:31:54] Speaker B: And what did your therapies look like? I mean, you say hitting it hard. What did that look like?
[00:32:01] Speaker C: Like I said, I probably should.
[00:32:04] Speaker D: It's voodoo ish, kind of rough idea.
[00:32:08] Speaker C: Should ask more questions. But I know in the beginning, I went home with a box of about 15 different holistic.
I don't want you to call them supplements. Pills. Supplements is a better term there. And then I worked my way up to getting to some different nasal sprays and some tinctures and different things, and I was probably taking no less than 25 to 30 supplements and some tinctures and some nasal sprays for about a year, and then I was going, of course, I had to build up to this, but after about four or five months of that regiment, I got to a point where she was like, I think we can start trying ozone treatment as well. So I started to do a various amount of different types of ozones. She was doing what they call a ten pass. I don't know if that's an industry term, but.
And then I liked the ten pass, but it took a long time to do it. I found that just a Di V, a direct IV ozone for me was almost the most effective for me. I was in and out in probably 15 minutes, and I really noticed that when I'd get a Di v done, I felt great for like, four days. So I was just coming in about every three days, four days for a while and getting the I. That's once I got to the point where I started to feel better.
But it was ten pass. And then, of course, I was getting the. In the very beginning, in the first five months, I was probably going once, if not twice a week and getting the Myers cocktail on the glutathione. There was some nad in there, too.
I apologize for not being more specific, but it was so much over such a long period of time that a lot of it blends together. But I know that it was a lot of trust, it was a lot of faith, but I don't know that I'm cured necessarily. But like I said, I've not had any Lyme treatment as of the moment. I'm not taking any supplementation whatsoever to treat my lyme.
[00:34:27] Speaker D: And you feel good?
[00:34:28] Speaker C: And I feel good.
I feel really good about it.
[00:34:33] Speaker D: That is awesome. So I want to talk a little bit, Dr. K, because I know before I got introduced to you, I did a lot of the blood ozone. Don't really know what it was called. I hear a lot about this ten pass ozone, and we've talked about that before.
What is Nate talking about when he says just a 15 minutes ozone injection? Like, I haven't heard this before.
I think ozone is incredible stuff, but a lot of people don't know a lot about it. And apparently there's more than just one way to get it.
[00:35:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
So we can start with what's most commonly used. Probably what you used is called ubi, ultraviolet blood irradiation. And that's when the doc, they pull about 30 plus cc of your blood, put it in a saline bag, and then they put ozone into that bag, and then they let that run through a machine that irradiates it with ultraviolet light. Yes, that's exactly what I. Yeah, that's called ubi. Then you have like, Nate's talking about ten pass, or it's a machine that does up to ten passes, or you do up to ten passes usually, but you can choose to do two pass, three pass, four pass, whatever number. And that is a machine that uses a pressure to kind of pull out the blood. A certain amount of blood from you gets ozonated and it goes back in and then pulls it out. Ozonated, goes back in. So you kind of sit there and that machine just kind of pulls the blood out, gets ozonated and goes back.
[00:36:10] Speaker D: And each time they pull it out, that's a pass.
[00:36:13] Speaker B: That is a pass.
[00:36:14] Speaker D: So the difference is they don't run it through the Uvi light.
[00:36:19] Speaker B: They don't. But much more blood gets ozonated, so you get quite a bit more.
And I'll go back to di v, but then you have another one that I do. It's called RHP or eboo, extra corporal blood.
Ozonation, oxygenation, that's when blood moves from one arm. It goes through machine where it gets ozonated and oxygenated, and then it goes into the other arm. So it's that continual flow of blood, and it gets filtered and ozonated at the same time. And so that way you can then. So that's kind of taking ten pass plus because you are ozonating about four liters of your whole blood volume. So it's pretty extensive. Then the Di V, which is kind of a direct intervene. Ozone and Dr. Rowan was one that did that quite a bit, and he did that. And there's an outbreak, I can't remember. Yeah, it was an outbreak in Africa, and he and another doc from New York, I believe, went there and they used ozone and did the Di V, and they helped to kind of clear out a lot of clotted infections, is. I love di V. It's a really powerful one. And actually my dealing, I know she's dealing with Lyme as well, in addition to a number of other things. She was dealing with autoimmune disorder, that she would have been dead by now if we would have done anything.
So I did di v on her quite a bit. The issue is that it's very hard on the veins.
So if your veins aren't up to snuff, it can really destroy the veins. And it did destroy her veins. She felt great with it. It had amazing impact, but it just limited our ability to do treatments in the long run. So we had that that really helped her.
And obviously, then with ozone, you can do rectal insufflation, you can do ear, you can do bagging. So there's a lot of different things you can do with ozone.
It's an amazing tool for so many different things. I mean, for Lyme, my user, for cancer, for other infections, Epstein Barr, whatever.
[00:38:53] Speaker D: It may be, it's awesome. And then the ozone saunas, and all.
[00:38:57] Speaker B: Sorts of ozone that we have, and that we have that uses ozone, carbon dioxide, and phototherapy, rife technology, and ten different therapies all at the same time. So there's a lot of cool kind of combinations with ozone you can do.
[00:39:15] Speaker D: Sorry, Nate, I kind of took over your just, I love ozone, and obviously you do, too. And just so many people don't know about it. And I know that there's so many different ways, and I thought this was a perfect opportunity to kind of throw it all out there.
[00:39:28] Speaker C: Well, no, don't apologize at all. It's something that I'm passionate about. And when I tell people my story about my treatment, it starts with the muscle testing, and it always includes the ozone. So those are the two main things that I think that are probably the least people are aware. Everyone's aware. Like, you can go get holistic supplements and go through this series, but the muscle testing and the ozone are the two things that I think are the main points that I drive home when I'm telling people about how it helped me.
[00:39:56] Speaker B: And she would muscle test you each time. You would come to see how you're responding to everything, and then adjust her protocol based upon what she's eating.
[00:40:06] Speaker C: Yes, sir. It was probably about once every two and a half to three months, I would come back in and get another. She called it an art, and that's what I would get done every three months, and we would adjust, and that's how she would tell me, hey, you're getting better. I'm noticing less of a response or, hey, the mold is completely gone.
And every time that she would tell me, I would go into the testing and knowing that I'd felt better. And once again, it would be the muscle testing plus the blood work that would show this isn't just psychosomatic. You are getting better. It is happening. You are getting better. It's leaving your body. And then sometimes I'd have some where I might have an influx a little bit, like it might get a little worse, and we would just have to do this dance. So turn this up, turn this down, do this differently for a little bit.
But it was a commitment. It was probably two and a two and a half year commitment of just solid treatment to get to the point of where I've gotten to now.
[00:41:11] Speaker D: And I think that just another reason why I love the muscle testing. And I'm sure I sound like a broken record all the time. Every time I say this, it's like our progress report, right? So here we go for a couple of months, and we're doing all these things we're supposed to be doing. And especially in the beginning when maybe not so much for you, but when I'm thinking this is kind of a voodooish thing, I'm like, I don't know. Well, then he's like, okay, this is better or this is worse or this is happening. And so, you know, it's just like that validation that, okay, we're on the right track, something's working. Things are changing versus going and trying to do blood tests for all sorts of things that cost a fortune. And, like, I know Dr. K has picked up parasites in me multiple times. I can't tell you over my 13 year journey how many times I literally mailed my poop in the mail. I see parasites in it, and they tell me I'm perfectly fine. So, I mean, there's no proper stool testing for parasites, but muscle testing, they can tell you in a heartbeat if you have them. And so it's just great.
[00:42:21] Speaker C: Yeah, Tanya, same here. Throughout the two and a half year, it was probably twice I had a parasite that had to be addressed throughout that time.
Probably, even though I feel fine, I probably need to go in and get one done here anytime now just to just do a check in just to see if there's anything else pop up.
And even though I don't feel bad at the moment, you never know.
And honestly, I think there's probably a correlation between consistent muscle testing like that to probably optimal health. I don't know how frequent you would recommend it, doc, but, I mean, a couple of times a year at minimum, I would imagine.
[00:42:59] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. And what's fascinating, so the art you're referring to that stands for autonomic response testing. And it is Dr. Dietir Klinghart, which I'm sure both of us trained with.
He's the one that kind of brought all these different ways of doing it and developed in the art.
But what's fascinating, in addition to then it being a way to understand what's going on in the body, it also, as you're doing the art or doing the muscle testing, you are then creating an awareness within the body of what's going on, so that the body in itself can then start to do itself corrections just based upon just the testing in itself. So it's like the muscle testing in itself is a treatment. And so just from that point of view, I would at least do twice a year and probably actually do every quarter, tends to be kind of a.
[00:44:06] Speaker C: And what I loved about this methodology, too, and I don't know if it's just standard art protocol, but was that Dr. White was able to tell me where, based upon the art, the Lyme was most concentrated in my body.
And I found that very interesting.
She told me that mine was more heavily concentrated in my brain, which made a lot of sense for the cognitive and the issues that I was having with brain fog and all of that other stuff.
Once you've been validated to say, yes, you have this, and here's a game plan, and let's start moving towards it, and then you've got a game plan to do checkpoints so often to say you're getting better, and that she can say, yeah, I see where it's at here. And I'm now noticing it to be decreasing and less active for someone that at one point in time felt like maybe I'm the anomaly here and I've got something going on that no one is ever going to figure out what's going on with me, or maybe I am losing my mind.
How many people are out there that's unfortunate, that have had this internal conversation with themselves that says, I don't think I'm crazy, but we start questioning ourself.
[00:45:30] Speaker D: Like we really do, because these doctors say there's nothing wrong with us. And we're like, but something is wrong with me, which means something must be wrong with me. Like, am I going crazy? They have mental hospitals because people go crazy. Maybe I'm going crazy. Like, you really do drag yourself down that road, because we don't know. And so, like you said, when your doctor told you this is what you have, we're like, oh, my gosh, yay, somebody's validating that something is wrong with us. I mean, once I found out what Lyme was, I was like, oh, well, gosh, maybe I don't want to have that, but I wanted to have something because I was tired of being told it was all in my head.
[00:46:09] Speaker C: Yeah.
What's unfortunate is I wonder how many people have had those internal conversations with themselves and then just been like, nah, I'm just going to put it.
Or they've been diagnosed with Ms or dementia or whatever, because they've been misdiagnosed and they have had Lyme the entire time. And God forbid that some of them end up dying from the diseases that they didn't know that they had and could have been treated decades before.
[00:46:43] Speaker B: You're mentioning, like, Christopher's prior to as a prime example.
[00:46:48] Speaker C: It's a prime example.
Like I said, it's just hearsay. I can't confirm all of this, but it's my understanding that he thought he had dementia for a long time, and that once he found out he had Lyme, I mean, he saw a pretty drastic recovery. I don't know that it was full, but I know that it was a noticeable difference. And it's such a shame how many people are out there right now that they're being treated for a symptom. And the mechanism out there is there, the art, the muscle testing is there, but not enough people know about it, and they're out there throwing pharmaceuticals down their throat to treat these symptoms, and it's just getting worse and worse.
[00:47:28] Speaker D: Yeah. And that's another reason why to turn to muscle testing, because our testing is not accurate. So these people are going to the doctors for years, like, your dad was a great example, and they do a test and they don't have it.
I kind of get why people go untreated or misdiagnosed is because the testing is wrong. And so that's just another reason why to kind of steer away from the blood work and veer more towards the muscle testing.
It really just kind of makes sense. How do you know what you're supposed to treat?
Isn't there kind of like a phrase that says, blood work doesn't lie? But I kind of think.
I don't know how I want to reword that, but, well, it doesn't tell the whole truth. Okay, there we go.
[00:48:22] Speaker B: Yeah. And that's the thing, is that when you have something going on in the system, you see it first electrically, then you see it chemically. So you see it first in your nervous system before you see it chemically in your bloodstream. So that's why using something like autonomic response testing or muscle testing, is a good way then to assess the body way before it starts to show up in the bloodstream, because the bloodstream is a late stage testing technique.
[00:48:55] Speaker D: Yeah.
Perfect.
[00:48:58] Speaker B: Well, I'm curious to see, so what's going on in your life now. What are you up to?
[00:49:05] Speaker C: Well, it's one of these things where I'm a jack of all, a master of none. So I've got a lot of different things going on. But I've got two daughters now. My daughter is now eight, and I have another daughter that's three, so getting ready to turn four. So me and my wife are chasing them around constantly.
And I'll be honest with you, it was during the midst of this really struggle.
There was a time where coming home and playing with my kids was an absolute non starter because I barely had the energy to make it through the day.
We spent all day at the zoo. Today my kids are on spring break and it's 730 in my time. And I'm sitting here having a conversation with you wonderful people, and I've got energy to burn, which is three years ago at 05:00 when I got home, I was on the couch out because I had no gas in the tank.
But yeah, things are going great.
I'm active, and I turned 40 this year.
It's a shame to say, and I know my story is not unique, but I feel better at getting ready to be 40 than I felt at 25.
[00:50:25] Speaker B: Yeah, that's great.
[00:50:27] Speaker D: That's incredible. And to spend the day at the zoo with your kids.
So many people just take those little things for granted until you have a journey, like most people that have Lyme, all the little things that we just don't think twice about, and now we do, and it really just kind of just gives us a different perspective on life. I think for so many of know.
[00:51:00] Speaker C: I would never wish this lime journey on anybody ever.
But I am grateful that it happened to me for that reason. Tanya, like I told you before, in the midst of all of these things happening to me, questioning my sanity, questioning my understanding of my own body and my health, I don't want to say I had an existential crisis, but it made me question a lot of things, and it completely changed my entire perspective on life, on all kinds of different things, and my ability to be more present in the moment, be with my kids, and enjoy what's going on right now.
Lime has played a part in that. And like I said, I don't wish it on anybody. But if I had to pick a silver lining to my Lyme journey, it has given me the ability to.
I don't know that I was dying there, but for about four months, I thought that I was, and I didn't know what the future held for me.
I'm thankful of being able to have had a small glimpse into not taking your life for granted. And now that I'm through the other side of this storm, still trying to keep that in the forefront of my mind and know that every day we have here on this earth is not guaranteed. And I want to be present in the moment and enjoy the time I have with my family.
[00:52:40] Speaker B: Yeah, it's precious time.
[00:52:44] Speaker D: That's perfectly said. And I'm glad that you said that, because there's a lot of listeners out there that are in the midst of it right now, not in a good place. And they know that their life is different. And everybody that's been on the show, we talk about how our life has changed, and I can't recall one person ever saying for the worse, like, our life has changed for the better. And you wouldn't think so, right from going through such a horrible disease, but it really does. So you can't give up, because I promise you, the other side of it is the most amazing thing you could ever imagine. It really is.
[00:53:27] Speaker C: Yeah.
And gosh, man, for those of you all that are listening to this and you're in the middle of that battle, I just encourage you to dig deep and trust your doctors and the treatment that you're getting holistically, at least I hope. And if you don't have a doctor that is like Dr. K or my doctor in Nashville, find one, because that's the first step. And I don't want to throw shade on any of the modern medicine tactics, but I went over a decade undiagnosed. So if you want to get better, you got to start with finding the right doctor and the right treatment.
[00:54:07] Speaker D: Perfectly said.
[00:54:09] Speaker B: Before we finish, tell them a little bit about your podcast project.
[00:54:14] Speaker D: Oh, yes. Because we love the name. Tell us, what's the name?
[00:54:18] Speaker C: And I kind of alluded to it a second ago, and I appreciate the plug there.
The podcast is called Holy Shit. And the reason it's called that is in the midst of, like I said, listen. Lime had a play in this. Lime had a play in this. I told you I had this. What do you want to call this? Existential crisis, spiritual awakening, whatever you want to call it. And it really opened my eyes to all of the different woo woo things out there, not just art, muscle testing, and holistic health. So my friend of mine, who is a dear friend of mine, but she's also a shaman, we have a podcast that we do together, and it's called holy shit. And it's just about all things woo woo. And sometimes we're talking about religion, and sometimes we're talking about holistic health, and sometimes we're talking about personality profile testing. Sometimes we're talking about astrology, all kinds of different things. So if you're into the outside the box thinking, check it out, it's called holy shit with Nate and Esha. And I appreciate your listen, but thank you all for having me. This has been a great discussion. It's been a while since I've talked to somebody about lime. And when our mutual friend reached out recently and asked about it, I was like, yes, I would love to do that because getting in the room with like minded people and talking about a, I mean, how can you not be passionate about helping people heal from this? So I'm grateful for the opportunity to be on here, and thank you all very much.
[00:55:50] Speaker B: Well, it's been a pleasure having you. And thank you so much for sharing because that is the fuel that drives people that are still battling. And so thank you for being that.
[00:56:03] Speaker C: I'm honored to be here and I appreciate what you guys are doing.
[00:56:07] Speaker D: We appreciate you sharing. If we didn't have our guests to share, we wouldn't have a show, right?
And I've already subscribed to your podcast. I can't wait to start listening because I think it's right up my alley.
[00:56:19] Speaker C: We talk about some out there stuff. So if you don't mind going on a table and having an art done, you're probably not going to be too uncomfortable listening to my podcast.
[00:56:28] Speaker D: I love it. Well, maybe this is going to be a great podcast to get people to start thinking outside the box.
Maybe your podcast is going to help those listeners turn to muscle testing. Like, okay, we're not the only ones talking about this crazy stuff, so there's a reason for it. All right.
[00:56:47] Speaker C: Yeah. And that's what I'll say, too.
It's kind of like, I get the vibe from your podcast is that we're not saying you have to do this, we're not saying that this is the only way, but we're saying, hey, listen to some other perspectives that are out there and make your own judgment. But this is our experience. And we're not saying we're better than this or whatever, but this is our experience from people that have lived know sometimes the mainstream, what everyone else is doing isn't always the best whole. That's the whole message.
[00:57:19] Speaker D: Right? And I always think back to, I don't even know if Dr. Phil's still on the air, but Dr. Phil used to always know. And how's that working for you? So if you're treating for Lyme, you're trying to get better. How's that working out for you? If it's not like change things, if things are going great, go with that. But if they're not, and you're struggling and you're not getting anywhere, it's time to think outside the box. It's time to go over to the voodoo side.
[00:57:48] Speaker B: I love it.
[00:57:49] Speaker D: All right, Nate, thank you so much. It was a pleasure meeting you and hearing your journey, and we appreciate you just sharing and sharing with everybody. And your podcast, I'm excited about it. So thanks so much.
[00:58:00] Speaker C: Thank you all for having me. I appreciate it.
[00:58:02] Speaker B: Thank you.
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