Episode Transcript
[00:00:01] Speaker A: Welcome back to Integrative lyme Solutions with Dr. Karl Feld. I am so excited about the show that we have ahead of us.
[00:00:08] Speaker B: We have some phenomenal information that could save lives.
[00:00:13] Speaker C: You're gonna need to tune in to.
[00:00:15] Speaker A: What'S going on today. The information is jam packed, so don't step away.
[00:00:24] Speaker C: Well, Lisa J. Eggert, it's so fun to have you on this episode of Integrative Lyme Solutions. I mean you've had an incredible journey. So I'm excited to dig deep into that and see what the other end looked like. So Lisa J, thank you so much for being with me today.
[00:00:42] Speaker D: Thanks so much for having me. I'm really kind of, I'm impressed with all you've done and the information that you've brought to people. Suffering is invaluable and I really kind of excited to be here. So I appreciate it.
[00:00:59] Speaker C: I'm excited too because you really. Yeah, you've done some amazing things. But let's, let's. I mean and we were talking a little bit before the podcast in regards to. It is fascinating how people battling Lyme, how they more so than any other group really kind of stepping up and want to help and share and do whatever they can to help their community.
[00:01:25] Speaker D: It's, it's really fascinating to me because if you've suffered or if you've been directly in the vicinity of somebody suffering, you're from tick borne diseases and not, not solely Lyme, right.
Bartonella, Babesia, you know, Babiosis, there's so many and most people are, have co infections but the, the crew that has had it and supports the people that are going through it now is, is.
It's different than any other sickness I've seen. Like the Lyme patients or people who have had suffered are stepping up for the people going through it with not only information but with support with just an ear.
I have people call me all the time and I love to be able to help even if it's just listening, you know, because I think as when you suffer you, if you find somebody that has that peace, right that, oh that that's recognizable to me, I'm going to reach out to them and that you become desperate as a Lyme patient and you start reaching out to anybody that you think is going to listen or help you. And so I remember seeing my doctor for the first time and when I was on the phone and I called and I said, you know, this is what I have, this is what I think I have. I was diagnosed here.
Can you help me and they were like, we absolutely can. I can get you in. And just somebody listening to me. And I started crying, and she's like, it's okay. And I cried and I cried for the. Probably the next week, and I cried. When I went into the appointment, I cried because somebody actually heard me. Right. And I just kept crying. I was like, I think this is the beginning of my healing journey. And so when I think you're a Lyme patient, you remember those moments very vividly, and you want to help other people.
[00:03:33] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Like. Like you were saying before, you just want to kind of give these patients or people going through just a big, nice, warm hug. Yeah. And just kind of know that, you know, I got you and you're going to be okay.
[00:03:45] Speaker D: Yeah. Lean on me for a minute. Right. And, like, take the pressure off of you. Lean on me for a minute. And I will do what I can to help.
[00:03:53] Speaker C: And the challenge is, I mean, when, you know, for somebody battling Lyme, they've gone through such a journey and they felt so isolated and they felt so not listened to, doctor after doctor. And, I mean, that was your journey, right?
[00:04:11] Speaker D: Yeah. And family members and, you know, friends.
You become more and more isolated as the disease, the progression, you know, happens. And when it starts really hitting your brain, right?
The memory loss, the weird things that happen, it becomes isolating because you're afraid. Right. But it also becomes isolating because you're. You're the people that know you don't understand.
And then you have doctors on top of it, Right. Not.
And so you have this change, literal change in your brain happening, and then people are noticing that you notice it, you can't stop it.
And then you're being told that you're fine.
Look at you. You look great. All your labs are perfect, and you're literally dying from the brain down. Like, you.
And you know it and you feel it, and you.
Nobody's hearing you. No, there's no. Nobody's hearing you. And it's so isolating.
[00:05:20] Speaker C: And it doesn't get any better when you're battling with something like neuralyme, where you know, your ability then to.
To communicate and interact. And you know, your. Your cognitive function is not where it needs to be in order to be able to navigate all of this. And then you're isolated and alone in the middle of all of that.
[00:05:42] Speaker D: Correct. Like neuro Lyme and neuropsychiatric Lyme are terrifying to be able to not be able to do things that you did before. I had, you know, I was working in a Pre K. And I had 18 children, and I was able to, like, separate them, like, evenly at tables. And then all of a sudden, something as simple as that I could not do.
And I had to stop driving because I would get to a stop sign and just. It wouldn't even register that that's a stop sign. And I would just. I had two small kids. I'm like, what is happening right now?
Little things. Like, I'd be looking for my glasses or my phone or. And I'd look at it five times, and it wouldn't register that that was my phone or my glasses.
Just. And I'm sure you've heard these stories before, right?
Simple things like getting dressed and for a second, not knowing what to do with a button or looking down at your shoes and going, that was like my classic. When I look down at my shoes and I go, no, I'm supposed to do something here with these strings, but I don't know what I'm supposed to do with these strings. Right? And then it would take a second. Your brain felt like it was in, like, four or five hiccups almost. And then you would go, oh, okay, I remember.
And which. My initial diagnosis when my kids, I went into. I, I don't. Do you want me to skip into how this started?
[00:07:18] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, let's, let's do that, actually. Yeah. I'm curious. So, yeah, let's, yeah, let's. Let's kind of go into, you know, when you started noticing things or when, you know, what, how it all transpired. I'm very curious.
[00:07:33] Speaker D: So when I was younger, I moved out into the end of Long Island, New York, because I was going to school for landscape design and greenhouse management, and I got a job on the golf course out in Montauk. Right. You know, taking care of the greens and doing all that. I want to say my initial sicknesses started shortly thereafter.
You know, chronic UTIs, chronic sinusitis, chronic sore throats. I lived in a tent. I was young. You know, I was, what, 19, 18. I, I. You kind of fight through those things, and you're just like, oh, it's because I'm. I'm working so hard, or I'm doing this or I'm doing that, and you just kind of fight through them. And I would, like, wax and wane as far as my sicknesses would go. Right. So for, like, a couple of months, I'd be normal, and then I would, I would get my period, and it would set off like, this, this, you know, fevers, and I, I basically had like this relapsing fever kind of thing that lasted for years. I had night sweats, drenching night sweats. My doctor would say. I would go to the doctor and I would tell them that, and they'd be like, oh, you might be early menopause. I'm like, I'm in my early 20s. Like, I haven't had kids. You sure that that's it? Like, are there tests that we can do? But drenching, night sweats and this waxing and waning of just these.
And I worked for the Bronx Zoo. I did a turtle study out. Like, I became a naturalist. And I worked for my local town natural resource department. I worked for the Bronx Zoo and did a turtle study site out here. So I was always outside. I was a landscape, worked in landscape design.
I'd be.
Hated the idea of being inside, right?
I was constantly. At that point, we just pulled ticks off of us and hoped for the best. We didn't know anything better, right? It wasn't even. It was. It was even. I wasn't even smart enough to go. Let me spray myself with like off or DEET or anything, right? They were just things that. They were just nuisances, you know, and we would just pull them off and move on.
And in periods of my life, I had been sicker and then better and then sicker and then better. These relapsing times.
And then I had this one.
Well, I had two. I had one tick bite when I was pregnant with my daughter that was from mid thigh to mid belly. The em rash, right? Like all the way around, went the back of my thigh up and around through my belly button and round down in my hip. And I went to the doctor and I mean, it was a bullseye. And it was like this.
And he goes, no, that's not a bullseye. I said, well, I did pull a tick, you know, from my groin. He's like, not a bullseye. Like, they don't get that big. That's not what happens. And I said, well, I'm pregnant. And they were like, yeah, well, because you're pregnant, we won't treat you, so it doesn't matter. And you feel fine. And I was like, okay, you talking to a doctor, right?
They know. In my mind, I grew up with doctors knowing everything. They were gods.
[00:10:51] Speaker C: And kind of the logic behind that, I mean, if you would have had a UTI and was pregnant, they would have given you antibiotic.
So not treating you because you're pregnant, I mean, doesn't make any sense because they Give antibiotics to pregnant women all the time.
[00:11:10] Speaker D: Right, Right.
So fast forward now. My daughter is 4 and my son is 6.
And I got. I had pulled a tick out from, like, my bra line and with.
Didn't feel good at all, right?
It took about five or six days to get that EM rash.
And I have to say that at that point, after tick bite and I didn't feel well, I stopped going to the doctor because they were like, if you don't have a rash, you're fine. They would do labs and they would go, nothing comes up. You're fine.
You just had the summer flu, or you just had this or you just had that. Okay?
So I. At this point, after the tick bite and feeling sick, I did not rush to the doctor, right? I did not go, especially about what happened when I was pregnant with that big EM rash. Now I have another one. And it's unusual to have such a large EM rash, right? But. And I actually drew on it and I kept. And I had like, the pen line for the one that was, you know, when I was pregnant, because it kept getting bigger and I'm like, well, it's got to get be something, right? But then this one was kind of classic. This was like, perfect. Bullseye.
[00:12:38] Speaker C: The one with your breast.
[00:12:39] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. So went to the doctor, I said I was feeling badly about four days ago. I'm feeling better now. They're like, okay, we're going to put you on doxy for two weeks. Within 24 hours, I could not speak.
I could not get the words from my brain to my mouth. My whole body felt like it was. It was being rained on. Like, I had these spots of, like, coolness within.
And it. My whole body felt like that, like. Like it was raining, except it wasn't. And I had this neurological sensation, this almost buzzing in my neck, in my brain, and it was like this reverberations.
Like, that's all. Like I had this ringing in my ear.
Ears.
And I. So I went to the clinic and they were back. Or I called the clinic and they were like, you need to go to the hospital.
It sounds like you're having a stroke. And I'm like, cool, all right. But I couldn't speak. I actually was like, writing the words.
My ex husband. Well, he was my husband at the time. We're still best friends. No, nobody panic. We're still really good.
He.
He called for me, and so he was like, great, I have to take you to the hospital now. I'm like, you know, sorry. I get to the hospital and they do a stroke code immediately. Because what I didn't realize is my left side of my face started drooping at that point, right? Although I was having multi sided and I was an emt, so I knew enough. Like, my arm was weird on this side, but my face was drooping on the left side. Like, I knew enough to knew to know that it was multi sided, right?
So they admit me there. I. I couldn't. I really could not speak, which was. I was writing everything. And even then I didn't have great control over what was happening with my hands.
They start doing MRIs. I remember just laying in the MRI machine and I just crying, your head is in a basket. You know, you're. They're trying to talk to you. I can't answer back. Like, I literally lost the ability to. I want to. Like, I was screaming from the inside to like, say words, but it wasn't getting to my mouth.
Started to resolve a little bit. They took me off the antibiotic and they said, this isn't Lyme. This is Ms.
You know, when the doctor finally came in and you were not going to put you on the. The, you know, keep you on the medication, I'm going to take you off the medication. I have to say, the symptoms started to resolve a little bit, right?
Because I wasn't having a Herxheimer anymore, which is kind of what happened.
And I left the hospital after about a week and maybe about seven days with a killer headache and a buzzing ringing in my ears. And the diagnosis of ms, I had a lot of the other symptoms have kind of faded away, except for those headaches and that ringing in my ear.
And the ringing in my ear lasted.
And then I woke up about maybe three months into it, and I didn't have hearing, so my hearing was gone. So it was just buzzing and not really any hearing.
So ringing in the ear and no hearing. So all I heard was ringing.
[00:16:32] Speaker C: How lovely. I mean, that's.
So first you lose your ability to speak and to form words, and then that recovers a little bit and now you can't hear, right.
[00:16:43] Speaker D: And I went back about, I'm going to say a month after. I could not bring my chin to my chest, right? I could not put my head down. I went back to the hospital because it was that bad.
And they wouldn't treat me because they were like, no, you don't have. They didn't even do a spinal tap. They were like, you were just here a month ago. You don't have.
And we think you want pain meds. And I was like, are you kidding me right now?
Like, I don't want. I just need you to make this headache go away. Like, I am so sick. But what was interesting is I wasn't really running a fever. And so they were like, it can't be what we think it is because you would have a high fever.
And so that was. That was the beginning of a very long.
And I think it was cumulative. Right. Of all the years of being bit and then this one last tick bite kind of like flipped it on its head.
[00:17:42] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. And then when you kind of start. Start to stir the pot with a little bit of a doxy and just kind of almost making them mad. Yeah. And because obviously, a day or two or a few days of doxy is not going to kill. I mean, it's going to kill some, but it's not going to kind of get very deep, especially if it's been there for a while.
[00:18:05] Speaker D: Correct.
And so that was the beginning, interestingly enough.
Chris, my husband, shortly after that, came to me with a ring on his chest, and he was like, I pulled a tick the other day and look, now I have a ring and I was still really sick. I have a diagnosis of Ms. And subsequently got a diagnosis of early onset Alzheimer's, or misdiagnosis, I should say. First of all, misdiagnosis of Ms. And misdiagnosis of early onset Alzheimer's with possibly having lupus. Right. And I was like. Because I had all these weird skin things now showing up, like, just very odd presentation of.
But they were.
So within this three months now I'm going, okay, so I have a misde. Well, I have a.
I knew it all started with the tick bite. And so I knew it was a misdiagnosis of early onset Alzheimer's and Ms.
[00:19:15] Speaker C: You knew that at the time, as they were throwing labels on you, I.
[00:19:20] Speaker D: Was toying with that game that it wasn't right and that I was now saying something not making sense. They're telling me this, but it all started with this. And yes, it could be. So I kind of went down a rabbit hole, right. Of talking to people, talking to people in the neighborhood. Oh, you have Ms. Oh, can we talk about that? How did it start for you? Like, then the Internet wasn't really a thing, right? We really wasn't really. You couldn't just Google much.
So I was just reaching. I was talking to anybody I could.
But having those two diagnosis, I was like, great, I'm going to be in a wheelchair in six months, because that's what it felt like.
And my kids are going to be wiping my mouth but I'm not going to know who they are, right? So I'm not even going to know why I'm in a wheelchair. And that was when you have a four year old and a six year old that's a debilitating two terrible, horrific. I was like lupus, I could party with lupus, right? Like woo hoo. But those other two were really horrific. Diagnosis, diagnoses, disease. I can't say it anyway.
[00:20:36] Speaker C: And, and how did you start to kind of unravel that? I mean you had in the back of your mind that you know this. I'm thinking this is lying. I'm thinking that I'm misdiagnosed. You know the regular doctors, you know, they are not doing anything.
So kind of how. What was your decision, you know path at that time?
[00:20:57] Speaker D: This wound up with a bullseye, right? We have dogs, we've always had dogs. So that increases your chances, right? But he had a bullseye.
We wound up and he wound up kind of like had this chronic cold cough, right?
So now let's fast forward to October. He kept saying, oh I feel fine. I'm like, you don't seem like you feel fine, you have this chronic cough. He wound up kind of sick. Interestingly enough the H1N1 was out, right? And we had to get those vaccines because my son had something like, like atelectasis. So he couldn't get his inoculation because they didn't offer that type, right. So we had to all go get our inoculations, myself, Chris and our daughter to kind of keep him safe. Within 24 hours Chris had the same type of symptoms I did.
Could not speak, he was walking and talking was very different. Like just walking was difficult. He. He had truncal shakes.
He was put in the hospital.
He wound up there in one hospital for a week we fought to get him out. They he was kidney, liver and kidneys were failing.
Then we went to another hospital. My brother in law, thank goodness was a doctor, was able to get him out of one and get him to another. He wound up on ivig.
They blamed it on the inoculation which yes, that was part of it but I also think it was the underlying tick borne was the underlying line which I had already been thinking this but then seeing something very similar to what I was going through except a thousand times worse made me think one of two things.
It was the tick bite or there's something in our house that is poisoning us Right.
So I wound up getting these people in white coats. They did every paint chip, they went through the house because we were both being neurologically, what looked like neurological poisoning, right?
They went through the water, they went through every paint chip, the countertops, the bathroom, the gypsum board, the cement in the basement. They literally did top to bottom white suits, tented the house and just to see, moved my kids out just to see if there was something within the house that was poisoning both of us. And it wasn't. So my only conclusion was we both had tick bites with very clear EM rashes with very clear symptoms. After like a clear symptomology kind of after his was a little bit more vague than mine, except when he got the H1N1 shot, it created this hyper immune response, right? He wound up with a diagnosis of Ms. As well. And I'm like, what's the likelihood that both of us get diagnosed with Ms. Within four months of each other? Like, that's kind of impossible.
And so that really started my journey on tick borne diseases and trying to figure out where we both stood.
I wonder, I wondered for a long time. Again, I ebbed and waned as, you know, waxed and waned, ebbed and flowed. I probably pushed those two together.
But I really, my suffering the loss of hearing, all of that pain, knee replacements, wrists being done, all, you know, shoulder issues, back issues, chronic headache, loss of hearing, chronic sore throats, chronic UTIs, loss of vision, like all of those things were just like piling up, right? I couldn't, I couldn't get out of them. I would have UTIs, I would, I would have a UTI and then I would be on medication. Then I would have a breakthrough UTI and then they would do a cystoscopy and they would kind of clean things out and do all of this stuff and it would start all over again. So clearly I was just having my, my immune system was shot, right? Like I couldn't fight anything.
You know, I was before 40 and I was diagnosed with profound hearing loss. You know, putting in like hearing aids and you know, but the hearing loss and the hearing aids created a hyper immune response in my brain almost right? Because too much input, my brain was basically injured. I had all these lesions in my brain.
Chris had all these lesions in his brain. Like we were, we were not, we were a mess. Like we were an absolute mess. And we were seeing 50 plus doctors like, you know, this UTI doctor, this eye doctor, this kidney doctor, this, you know, heart doctor. Oh yeah, the heart problems and all the skin manifestations, too, that go along with that. Right?
Yeah. I forgot the most important one, the heart. Right. So the palpitations and, I mean, he wound up in the hospital for eight weeks, and he. It took him a very long time to recover. He had to learn how to walk and talk all over again. But both of us still had this odd diagnosis of Ms.
Because he was on ivig, they called it kind of like a reverse Guillain Barre. And they thought that he had. Right. Because Guillain Barre starts at the toes and kind of. Or the out and goes in. His was truncal and went out.
So it was kind of an odd presentation for them.
So. But they did put him on the ivig, which made me wonder if he didn't develop all the other symptoms. Right. Like the hearing loss and the. And the vision problems and the urinary tract infections or the heart problems or any of those things. Because he was kind of treated right, like, in a. In a weird way, in a kind of back way. He was kind of treated.
So I wound up getting a diagnosis finally. Right. I was losing my mind, literally losing my mind.
All of this, what I know now to be brain inflammation.
I had seen a therapist pretty regularly my whole life, just because I, like, wanted to keep myself kind of, you know, for some people, going to therapy is like going to church. I'm. I'm really not.
I'm spiritual, but I'm not a churchgoer, I guess. And so going to therapy for me throughout my life kept me being a really good parent or really good employee or a really good, you know, inexpensive way of doing it, but really kept me kind of on track.
And my therapist started seeing that I was really not doing okay psychologically. Right. And she's like, LJ, I've been seeing you for close to 20 years, and I'm seeing a very different side of you. Just not. This isn't. I started having, like, anger outbursts, which I never had before. I, you know, rage. Like this rage.
And I was just so tired. I would come in from work, and I felt like I just needed a rope to pull me to my bed. Right. My poor kids pretty much ate peanut butter and jelly for a lot of their. Their dinners by this point, because Chris and I both had this issue. We wound up separating. He also had a rage. Started with rage issues. I started with raised rage issues.
And we start. We separated because that's what Lyme does to a family. It, like, disintegrates it from the inside out.
Even though we kind of knew it was so.
Lyme was still so not spoken about.
I didn't know it came with rage issues. I didn't know it came with psychiatric manifestations of, like, auditory hallucinations. Right. Here I am with hearing loss, but now I'm having these auditory hallucinations of kids and babies and my daughter crying. Right. And they were different. They were definitely. Some were other kids, some were her.
And that's a terrifying.
And I never admitted that to my therapist because I kind of knew that it was directly related to the tick bite and the inflammation. And I did not want to ring that alarm bell and never be able to come back from that. Right.
[00:30:39] Speaker C: I mean, if you start to ring that alarm bell, I mean, then they're thinking, well, you need to be admitted. And now you're separated, created by, you know, from your kids, and now you're put on medication. And the impact of that medication and am I, you know, gonna be functional? Is. Am I gonna, you know, is CPS gonna take my kids? Are they going to go into foster care? Is. I mean, it's a whole, you know, all of that can happen, you know, just so it's really scary and. And then not being able to trust, you know, what. What you're hearing. Yeah. I mean, that's really scary.
[00:31:16] Speaker D: Trust the doctors to help, right? And so I'm not trusting what I'm hearing. I'm not trusting myself, and I can't trust the doctors to help because this all started with that tick bite, right? Now we're like eight, ten, like eight years into it, and I'm going. This is.
I finally went to. I was lucky enough to get an appointment with Kalaima, Columbia, Columbia Lyme specialist, right. At Columbia Hospital. And after a couple of days of testing, I was diagnosed with neuro Lyme, which was great because my intelligence was high, but my. My cognitive processing was much lower than it should have been. And there were a bunch of things that they did. And so that was great. And I. While I was so happy that once they called me with that diagnosis, but interestingly enough, they didn't treat and they couldn't.
They weren't. That wasn't what they did. They diagnosed, but they didn't treat.
And I can tell you that was, like, a really low point in my life.
Okay. So now I finally have the diagnosis that I knew.
Right. But now I not being treated.
Chris's family, one of his cousins had suffered and went to a doctor in upstate New York. And she was like, you need to go. She recognized all the symptoms Like I was saying before, right? You recognize these symptoms in each other as a Lyme patient, even if they're all not the same.
You're like, oh, that sounds really familiar. Or oh, I suffered with that. Or somebody I know who has Lyme had that. I didn't, but somebody I know had that.
So she sent me to this doctor. I wound up on a year long course of antibiotics. I also had Babesia and Ehrlichia.
Right. And so hence the night sweats my whole life, right. So.
And the relapsing fevers.
So they. I was treated nine months of oral with. With malaria, anti malaria medication.
And then three months of IV.
I had a PICC line and I have to say I was like 60% better on the oral because we kept switching it up. And I was good with that. I was like, I'm good, right? I'll. I'll keep this.
And he's like, no, I think it's time for iv. I think we hit a plateau. Let's put you on iv. And I wound up like within the third day. It was like going from.
And again, this is my journey. I'm not saying that this is. Should be everybody's journey. This was just happened to be mine.
And some people don't agree with antibiotics or. But this was just happened to be my journey.
I'm not saying that anybody should do anything that they don't want to do or.
But on the third day of IV antibiotics, it was like the wizard of Oz when it went from black and white to color.
It was shocking. I was like looking around. It was like all of a sudden I could see or hear, but I couldn't hear. I never got my hearing back. But all of a sudden the whole world, I was like, wow, I've been suffering for like 20 years and now.
And I have to say I was really afraid to come off the IV antibiotics because I felt so much better. Everything cleared up. My UTIs cleared up. My.
My yeast infections cleared up. My ears, not my ears, but my eyes started getting better. My.
I started having not joint pain, like wasn't terrible.
My neck, I could move. Like there were so many things. My heart was better. Like there were so many things that all of a sudden I was like, wow. After that, like third week of iv, I was like, I could run a marathon right now.
So that be my journey. But what I realized is I couldn't because I had such neurological deficits now that when I used a repellent with DEET or permethrin, I wound up Having those symptoms come back. And I'll give you a minute to transition, I guess, into that part of the story, because I could just keep talking.
[00:35:53] Speaker C: Well, and I love it. I love it.
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[00:37:56] Speaker C: For me, this your journey is so important for because there's so many people that are wondering, is this normal? Is this symptom, could this be Lyme related or is this something else and kind of realizing how complex of a symptom picture that Lyme can create.
And obviously each individual is unique and each individual's healing journey is unique as well.
Sometimes antibiotic is the thing that really moves the needle.
Sometimes people crash on antibiotics and they need just herbal sometimes combination of A little bit of both, you know, each and because you're dealing with all these co infections and they just them alone and the combination of how they are behaving is going to create a unique symptom picture for each individual. And then you have a person's genetic, you have their toxic load, you have their nutritional, you know, levels. All of these factors play a role in how, you know, one individual, the symptoms going to manifest and also how that individual is going to respond to different treatments. So yeah, each journey is so unique. So, you know, for you, you know, dealing with kind of neurological Lyme and then obviously liking being outside and you don't want to be bit again.
So, you know, and then we know the, you know, the deets and all these chemicals that, you know that are insect repellent and they are all impacting your nervous system.
So I mean, that's kind of what took you on that next step, right to now I want to be able to be outside, but I want to feel safe outside, but I don't want to get toxic each time when I go outside.
[00:39:49] Speaker D: And my kids. Right. So my daughter obviously was born with Lyme disease. She was born with heart problems, kidney issues.
You know, she wound up with celiac. Right. So they think the celiac doctors are really up on it, the pediatric celiac doctors, and they think that her Lyme exposure probably set off her celiac. Right. And so knowing that I had it when I was pregnant with her, how do I keep my kids safe now? Right.
Oh, she also had alpha gal. I had alpha gal. Right.
We think Chris had alpha gal, but then kind of got over it and. But we can't get bit again. Like, and I rent my house out. So we live in a camper for six months out of the year or like really four months out of the year.
How do I keep everybody safe? Am I never to go outside again?
[00:40:51] Speaker A: I.
[00:40:51] Speaker D: Are they never leaving the house again? Are we never going to see like a drop of sunshine or feel it? Because that's how terrified I was to expose us. Right.
But also knowing that the, the DEET and permethrin products that we were using when we were camping were making us sick like they were because we were so neuro. Fragile. We were. Our brain was. Had healed.
My brain had healed a little bit or a lot of it, but not completely. And any assault on it, any sickness or any, Anything. Any assault dyeing my hair. I stopped dyeing my hair because the assault of the chemicals dyeing my hair brought back my symptoms.
So the same Thing like with the DEET and permethrin. So I, I would go, oh, what am I doing here? Like, I'm never gonna be able to take my kids outside. I had a friend of mine who was kind of making this like insect repellent. She gave it to me. It worked a little bit. It didn't work great.
And we decided to, I decided to maybe go down that rabbit hole to find out like, what, what could work. And, you know, now the Internet is at play and I can Google what exactly, you know, repels ticks. And I started making this formula and my friend and I did, and people started showing up at my doorstep. It was. I was worried that people gonna start thinking I was selling crack out of here because they're like, you, you spray your kid down with this and they smell great. And I, you know, can I use this?
You know, can you make me some? And it really started and people just showing up and I was like, could there be a business here?
And could there be a business here? But could I help people, right? Could I stop other kids from being sick? Could I stop other people from being sick? How many of these bottles can I make in a day?
And how many people can I help with these bottles? Is this whole family going to be safe now?
And so that kind of started that, that journey.
And in order to fund that journey, I needed to make some money, right? So that's really how this, this kind of business started. And it was really still was and is my North Star on helping people, right? If I can't control what the doctors know, I can't control what, what the doctors are being taught. I can't control the ticks. I can't control what the ticks are biting or who the ticks are biting. I can't. But I can control who the ticks are biting. I can't control what the ticks are biting to grab these diseases, but I can control who the ticks are biting. And if I do that, maybe nobody ever has to feel the way I did or be born with it like my daughter was and, or, or wind up in learning how to walk and talk like my ex husband, right?
So we're learning how to re. Relearn how to walk and talk or nobody has to get misdiagnoses of Ms. Or early onset Alzheimer's or these terrible things that could plunge somebody into, you know, just, just being horrifically pained for the rest of their life.
[00:44:34] Speaker C: So, you know, kind of, I mean, you've gone through your journey, you've seen your Your daughter, I think it's like three autoimmune conditions or something like that. She. She was diagnosed with. In addition to heart, you know, and, and that's the thing is that, you know, can be born with Lyme disease, it can be transferred in utero. So that's an important thing to just know.
And so anyone you can prevent getting a Lyme tick to bite or getting Lyme disease. I mean that's essentially not just a life save, but the impact on the future generations impact on their marriage, impact on the financial. I mean, because.
[00:45:23] Speaker B: Because it's expensive.
[00:45:24] Speaker C: Battling lime. Yeah, that's not cheap.
[00:45:27] Speaker D: I was lucky that we had the. I mean we didn't have discretionary funds. It put. It's definitely set us back. But I.
For me it was the. I know that this is it and that wasn't. It was non negotiable to try to fix it. And I did what I could, but a lot of people wouldn't be able to. You know, there are so many people that, you know, all of this is out of pocket, not being covered by insurance. Not, you know, and especially if you're not even getting a proper diagnosis. Your tests, you know, it's covered up until.
Can I ask a question just at a. Because I've asked many doctors this and I don't seem to get a go for it.
So lyme lives for 28 days, right. Or 23 days. Something in there, right. It lives, breeds and dies within that period of time.
Why do we only treat it for two weeks if.
If strep, which only lives for I think 20 minutes, lives, breeds and dies. But we treat that for 10 days. Because you want to kill that and all its subsequent babies. Right. Which would bring you to basically if we took that math equation out. Right. And use that same. Because it is. Should be the same for Lyme disease.
It would take us to like six months of treatment. Right.
For initially. And. And it would.
Is pretty much the same as syphilis, which we know that syphilis is a corkscrew virus as well bacteria as well.
And is not as smart as Lyme disease. Right. And they're like kind of kissing cousins. But we treat syphilis for a really long time.
But we treat Lyme disease for a very short time and not even killing out the whole first generation.
So can we talk about that?
Why are they not teaching this in medical school?
I mean, my goal is to. I'm sorry, my goal is to change the, you know, how all doctors have to take CME courses all Everybody, not just doctors, but nurses. My, my goal is to go to every state legislator and get them to make this a mandatory. Like CPR is mandatory. Lyme disease should be mandatory. But can we explain that?
My question.
[00:48:09] Speaker C: Yeah, and the thing is that, I mean the issue is based upon ignorance and then also it is such a complex disease. So if they acknowledge the disease, the impact on the insurance company, the insurance company burden is going to be even higher.
And so I think there's a. And also, I know there's an old guard that's still kind of hanging around.
This is their discovery regard to Lyme and they're holding on to that old way of thinking.
And the people kind of the next generation say, have not been able to challenge that quite yet. And it's almost like that old guard has to die off for the new thinking to come about.
And the key is exactly what you are doing is to go and go to your legislators, push doctors, push the system.
And we can do that in numbers.
We have 600,000 new diagnosis of Lyme disease, according to CDC.
[00:49:22] Speaker D: That's just diagnosed. Right.
[00:49:25] Speaker C: How many people? Yeah, it has nothing to do with what's actually happened. It's such a minuscule number compared to what's actually taking place. I'm just saying that there is a huge number of Lyme disease sufferers and if all of those took up an arms and communicated to the legislators, communicated to their medical community, things has to change.
The pressures can be big enough to change things throughout the United States. You know, the medical thinking. So that is the key.
I do want to make sure that before we end. Where can people find you? Where can they get this insect repellent? What is it called?
[00:50:09] Speaker D: So it's called Tick Wise by three Moms Organics three Moms because it's me, Mother Nature and the consumer. Right. The consumer drives every decision I make for the business, for the product. We're registered natural repellent in all 50 states.
And you can get. Find us on our website 3momsorganics.com or Amazon and.
Well, I'm not allowed to say it yet, I don't think, but we are going on another large platform which is going to be really exciting. They sought us out, so.
But right now it's Amazon 3 Moms Organics or tick wise or on our website 3momsorganics.com and, and you have a.
[00:50:58] Speaker C: Huge amount of resources and education. I know your website as well. Yeah. So there, you know, people can go there for just, just education resources as well. In addition to this is something that everyone, I think should have. Yeah. Because every, every life saved is a life saved.
[00:51:18] Speaker D: I agreed. I would like to offer a 15% coupon so you can share with your customers. Let's talk about how you would like that worded, but you can share it with them.
So anybody who listens to the podcast, 15% off the entire sale.
[00:51:35] Speaker C: Great. Yeah. If you can send me a code and I'll have that in the, in the notes, you know, in the podcast notes, that'd be wonderful.
[00:51:43] Speaker D: All right.
I would love that. Anybody, you know, just. Come on.
[00:51:49] Speaker C: Love it.
[00:51:49] Speaker B: Love it.
[00:51:50] Speaker C: Well, Lisa J. This was wonderful and what a powerful story. And thank you so much for bringing tools that, that can help the Lime community so much. So thank you so much.
[00:52:01] Speaker D: Oh, thanks for doing this. Thanks for bringing the information so people can actually hear what's going on out there.
You know, there's just talk to your legislators. Pass the tick acts. There's so many of them out there. Look into it.
I think center for. Can I say center for Lyme Action. Am I allowed to say that? Sure, you can join center for Lyme Action. They're doing a lot with passing bills to help, you know, promote these, these, to pass these, these legislations so we could get more funding to research for tick borne diseases. So yeah.
[00:52:46] Speaker C: Great, Great. Well, thank you so much, Lisa.
[00:52:49] Speaker D: All right, thanks.
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