Episode Transcript
[00:00:01] Speaker A: Welcome back to Integrative Lime Solutions with Dr. Carl Feld.
[00:00:05] Speaker B: I am so excited about the show that we have ahead of us.
[00:00:08] Speaker A: We have some phenomenal information that could save lives. I am Dr. Michael Carlfelt, and with me, I have my co host, Tanya Hobo.
[00:00:19] Speaker B: You're going to need to tune in to what's going on today. The information is unpacked, so, yeah, don't step away.
[00:00:29] Speaker C: So excited. Let's go ahead and get this started.
Welcome to integrative Lime Solutions with Dr. Carl felt. And today, our guest is going to share her journey with us. So I'm super excited to have you. Welcome to the show, Eliza, thank you.
[00:00:53] Speaker D: So much for having me. Happy to be here.
[00:00:56] Speaker B: Well, this is going to be great. I know you've done some little bit more kind of traditional routes in your healing journey, so I'm really excited to hear what that was.
[00:01:13] Speaker D: Yeah, I actually ran the gamut of routes. So I had a lot of western mainstream iv orals. I did a lot of things. It took me a few years.
[00:01:27] Speaker C: We kind of get a little desperate and do just about anything we need to do, right?
Yeah. So where does your journey begin? Like, how far back do we go? Do you remember being bit by a tick or kind of. Where does your story start?
[00:01:41] Speaker D: So my journey begins in New Jersey, where I had previously removed a tick, and then I suddenly had an autoimmune thyroid condition, hashimoto's thyroiditis, that also gave me food allergies. And that was probably three or four years before I was living in North Carolina. I was functioning, though, for those three or four years, and I was outside a microbiology class. I was about to take a test, ironically, on these subjects, and I was stung by something. In North Carolina, I immediately started getting a big red patch. I took the test, I got an a, and I went to the ER because I started throwing up very violently later that night. And I said, I think I have Lyme disease. And they gave me a test.
They told me, there isn't Lyme disease in North Carolina, but I'm from New Jersey. So I was like, this looks like a bullseye. And anyway, they sent me home. I got sicker and sicker, and I actually went to the ER and the doctor eight times in one month because my red patch went from the bullseye to I got Bell's palsy. Two weeks later, I couldn't move half my face.
My PCP gave me a gratitude journal when I came with Bell's palsy, and I also cried and told her my father was passing away at the time, and it seemed like the crying just. They're like, oh, well, this is stress.
I kept getting tested for Lyme disease because I kept pushing for it, and I had more and more bands, but I still wasn't completely positive. They started me on oral antibiotics. At a certain point, it made no difference. So the belt palsy then progressed to where I couldn't move my neck, and I was just laying a lot because I was dizzy.
Finally, the ER accepted me. They were doing all these tests. I ended up being positives for the spinal tap of Lyme disease.
And I'm laying in the hospital, and the infectious disease doctor comes in, like, upset, and he says, this must be a false positive for syphilis. And I was like, what? That's impossible.
And anyway, I got IV Rosephin. I did that for 28 days. The bell's palsy went away when they took the iv out. My symptoms all came back over a short period of time, and I spent a couple months just very sick. And I found my way to a Lyme literate pa in North Carolina, thank God, who gave me Gemsec, oral antibiotics, and I did that for over a year. It was very difficult because I didn't have health insurance.
North Carolina didn't okay Medicaid. I was waiting on disability. I was denied it, and it was a very difficult time period, it turns out. Actually, when I looked on Google, Asheville, North Carolina, where I was living, is declared endemic. But nobody there in the medical community outside of the person that was paid out of pocket would really entertain that there could be Lyme disease there.
However, I met a few other young women at a Lyme little get together, and there are definitely young people there and lots of people there with it.
I received some expensive oral antibiotics and meprin from either manufacturers or other Lyme patients. That helped me when I couldn't afford it, it was very difficult. I ended up actually getting disability after I got better and went back to work teaching, but that was years later.
[00:06:11] Speaker B: They didn't accept or insurance, didn't pay for any of the antibiotics and things, I mean, the treatments you're receiving from the medical doctor.
[00:06:21] Speaker D: So I was able to get a nice PCP to write me doxycycline. That usually wasn't a problem for something else, but, like, no, because I would go to doctors that I didn't have any insurance because North Carolina rejected Medicaid money from the federal government. They were one of, I think, two states that did that on principle.
[00:06:48] Speaker B: Great.
[00:06:49] Speaker D: Yeah, exactly. Great.
Thank God. With Lyme disease, I could live. I was suffering, but I lived long enough to get better. But if this was a different disease, there are people waiting for disability, for cancers and other things that I don't even know what happens there.
[00:07:11] Speaker C: It is so mean. You know, most things aren't covered by insurance in the Lyme world anyways, but know something like antibiotics, which usually are, you can't get because you can't get insurance coverage. Mind blowing. Which, by the way, even these doctors in Lyme, Connecticut, say that. There's no saying.
[00:07:31] Speaker D: Yeah, but.
[00:07:33] Speaker C: So I have a question. So, going way back, what made you think it was Lyme disease? Were you familiar with it, or did you kind of just start researching your symptoms?
[00:07:45] Speaker D: I was familiar with it. I didn't know anybody who had suffered long term, but I knew the bullseye, and that's what I clearly had that second time. The first time I wasn't even tested for it because I didn't have a bullseye and I didn't make that connection about removing a tick. And then suddenly I have a thyroid disease and can't have many foods like grains and sugar.
[00:08:09] Speaker C: Okay, so you had the bullseye rash. Okay, well, lucky for you, because not everybody gets. Yeah, yeah.
[00:08:14] Speaker D: My Lyme literate pa told me that it's believed that only people who already have Lyme get the bullseye. It's like a second exposure that causes that. Interesting. I also tested positive later when I moved to New York, and I got another doctor who helped develop the buroscano eyelids treatment guidelines. He worked as a PA under Buiscano. I was very blessed to see this doctor or a PA, and he had me to test for babcia and Bartonella, and I also tested positive for mycoplasma.
Yeah. And I did treatments for those, too.
[00:09:03] Speaker B: And what did that look like, the treatments? Was that more antibiotics or what did you do?
[00:09:08] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. So I did a lot of meprin and a lot of rounds of different antibiotics for babcia and Bartonella and orals. But then I moved to New York, and that doctor had me boost my immune system with Im and then iv glutathione and methylated b twelve. And then he gave me a 21 day course of toflaro, the antibiotic toflaro for persistent bartonella. And that was the game changer for me.
I had had all these head shaking and really crazy symptoms and extreme fatigue, and I got better after that, and I went back to work.
[00:09:56] Speaker B: Great.
[00:09:56] Speaker D: And living.
[00:09:59] Speaker B: While you're going through all these treatments, you mentioned that the later treatment, that really was a game changer for you. But while you're doing all these other antibiotics for a long time, how did your body respond? Did you just feel nothing, or did you have a lot of, can I die off and feel horrible, or did you feel better?
[00:10:22] Speaker D: I felt horrible. I felt absolutely horrible from the oral antibiotics. I had crazy body aches.
I was so tired. I think my stomach got very messed up.
It was very difficult.
And when I moved to New York, it's funny with lime, because there's so many different parts with healing for people often.
And I moved out of my childhood home, where there was a history of alcoholism and abuse, and moving back there and being sick wasn't really the best thing for me.
But I didn't want to be a burden on anyone else, so I took a leap of faith, and I came back to New York.
So I moved out of there. I also joined a church that drinks ayahuasca, and that is not something I would tell people to do. It didn't heal Lyme, but it really helped me because it was a community of positive people with faith that prayed for me and with me. And the medicine itself was very powerful and very kind of, like, unconditional mother love and hope and healing for me. It also illuminated a lot of patterns that I had with negative thinking and resorting to wanting to give up and suicidal thinking, too, which I had had when I was young. It wasn't a new thing, and I thought I had worked through all of that, but Lyme brought me back to my knees.
[00:12:16] Speaker C: Has a way of doing that.
[00:12:20] Speaker B: I'm really curious with the ayahuasca. Can you just kind of take us through your experience, let's say your first journey?
[00:12:33] Speaker D: So my first journey was long before Lyme.
I was 24, and I had found it for a family member, a younger brother, who was addicted to heroin, because I thought that might help him, and he ended up not wanting to go that route, but I needed healing, so I went, and it was a game changer for me. A lot of the patterns that I had had as a 24 year old who grew up with two alcoholic parents just shifted immediately.
I'd never had an addiction, really, but if I had started drinking alcohol, I would binge that night and things like, of this sort, with a hole inside me, I guess you could say, that wanted to be filled. And that started me on a path then where I never really got drunk after that, it just wasn't something I wanted to do.
And I didn't seek other drugs or anything else which my earlier preself was open.
I then went on to just realize that the agency that I had within myself to make positive choices and make an impact on my environment rather than be impacted by it so much.
So it was kind of like the unconditional mother love that I had had. And actually, after my experience, I realized how much my mother loved me.
And she didn't have the healthiest ways of showing it, or that love then scared her and made her maybe act in certain ways. But I started to see my mother with the love that I think the medicine had helped me get in touch with. And then our relationship shifted a lot.
So we had a pretty good relationship, but living there when I was sick. And unfortunately, my mom started relapsing with drinking, which was kind of the final thing that made me leave and accept the help that was offered to me with moving up here.
So there was a lot more to it. I mean, every experience I had, which is at this point, over 200, was healing.
[00:15:07] Speaker B: So you've had over 200 ayahuasca journeys?
[00:15:11] Speaker D: Yes.
[00:15:17] Speaker B: I've had a number of friends that have done it, and sometimes it can be pre intense. I mean, you have buckets that you puke into, and you really got to have somebody there guiding you and supporting you and creating the right setting.
Was it all just sunshine and roses for you as you were going through it, or what was it like?
[00:15:45] Speaker D: So, firstly, I think that the container itself that I have only drank with in this way, with prayers and singing and religion and a lot of joy, where there's members that hold this space and there's also guardians taking care of the people. Going through passages was very helpful. And it's also, for me, it was a social healing, too, because I always retreated into myself. That's where it's safe. But that hasn't really worked for me, and it definitely didn't work during Lyme. So finding kind of a spiritual family and a place where it's safe to be me, it's safe to cry. I never actually physically perched. That's the weird thing.
Never. I have cried to the point where my entire body was shaking. And I felt like. I felt the cells that are connected to my ancestors that cried over addiction in our family line, and I was crying that out, too. It was like intense physical release. And I also had quite a few physical passages where it was almost like there were spirit doctors, like, chiropractoring my body, where I must have looked absolutely crazy on the ground, like, moving in these weird ways. But it felt really good.
So I feel like there are portals to other realms where there is angelical and celestial and healing support, I feel like can access them. Without this, it's maybe more difficult for me, but for me, it's hard to really hone in on one thing that helped, because there was the tefloro, but there was also that I joined this church that I had been going to when I felt like it every year, every two years.
Then I joined, and then I did it at least twice a month at least.
[00:18:14] Speaker B: It's hard to know, but I know what we've seen a lot with Lyme and other infections like that is that the traumas and the beliefs that we hold from our childhood can really impact the expression of these infectious agents. So then utilizing tools and to help to shift that belief system and kind of heal, like you're saying those generational lines, because obviously you have patterns and genetic memories. So to say that you get from your parents, that they get from their parents, and that just kind of continues on until you're able to heal and shift that, to me, it reasons that it did play a huge role in your healing.
[00:19:12] Speaker D: Absolutely. And it's so deep with trauma and with our beliefs. And for me, it's interesting because a whole new life actually opened up after Lyme and because of the changes that I had where I was too afraid to become a teacher. I did everything except student teaching before Lyme. And then I said, oh, my God, I could never handle this, and I didn't do it. But while I was healing from Lyme, I also encountered kind of the person who held the space in my group, who was a quiet person, but was the leader, and people listened and very humble person.
And I thought it, I could be a teacher. I could do that. You don't have to be the loudest voice in the room. You don't have to be any. You can be yourself.
And I applied for scholarships kind of like a crazy person. I'm like, really sick. I have an iv in my arm at that point, and I'm like, yes, I'm going to do this. And I applied for these big scholarships and I got them because student teaching is working for free and paying for college at the same time. And it all ended up coming together.
And I've been teaching in public schools isn't the easiest thing, but I love it. I get a lot of gratification out of helping others, which, in my opinion, lime people are like the nicest people I've ever met. There are some boundary issues that I notice in a lot of lime people usually, where, I mean, they've been crossed a bit and we're still nice.
So reclaiming that sense of self so that I can go out in the world was, like, seminal for me, and that I'm valued, I'm worth it. I deserve to get better. I deserve a chance at this. I shouldn't just give up. So hope and faith were big things that kept coming to me, especially hope, even though it was crazy at the time, because I didn't have it, I didn't have money, and I didn't feel like I had support, but I held on, and I go running all the time now. That's wild to me because I had. Honestly, even after the Tefloro, it was probably two years before I could really run consistently and keep my heart rate up, but now I run like, 3 miles a day.
[00:21:43] Speaker C: Wow.
That's amazing. That's amazing.
And so when we go through a journey like Lyme, it doesn't define us by any means. Don't let Lyme define us, but it really, truly just changes so much about us from, obviously, the outside, but from the inside, too. And so it's interesting. You had mentioned that you had done this prior when you were helping your brother, but it took lime to come into your life, for you to really kind of realize that you had this extra healing that needed to be done within.
And sometimes that's what it takes. Sometimes lime is a blessing to us, because it gets us what we don't sometimes know that we need.
[00:22:37] Speaker D: Lime was where the rubber met the road. It was like, oh, you're a yoga teacher. Oh, you pray and meditate. Bam. Lime came, and I'm back to totally feeling suicidal for a very long time, even planning it, because I'm crafty.
I procured things that I actually had in my possession for six months, and homeland security came and got them from my house. So I want to give people hope, because my life is so good now and healthy, and I'm healthy, and it's been like, the leaps of faith that I took in order to get better opened doors to miracles that I couldn't even imagine at the time, but I was in the depths.
[00:23:33] Speaker B: Were these equipments or things that you're using in regards to lime, or, I'm curious, in regards to the homeland security, the little comment that you made.
[00:23:45] Speaker D: Well, if we're going to be totally honest, which I guess I decided to do here, I ordered from groups for intentional suicide, and I ordered Nembutol, and I had that for six months. I just had it because I was just like, if this doesn't work out and I don't get better, I can't be a burden. Like, my mom resents me. She doesn't want to deal with this.
You know, how the mind can go and, I mean, there is some validity to what the external world was telling me at the time, but they came and got it, and actually, I wasn't home at the time, so I found out that they came, and then I got rid of it. But, I mean, I had it for quite some time. I wasn't wanting to do that. It was just this thought of, like, it's never going to get better, and I'm just going to be a burden, and, oh, my God, I can't believe that I did that, but I did.
[00:24:45] Speaker C: No. And so many of us go through that, and I know I've shared multiple times that I contemplated suicide because I was about four or five years into it, and the doctors kept telling me nothing was wrong with me, so if nothing was wrong with me, I could never get better. I'm like, I can't live like this.
Long after I got my diagnosis, I was ashamed that those thoughts even crossed my mind.
And I didn't tell anyone. I didn't tell my parents, I didn't tell anyone. I was so embarrassed and ashamed. And then the more I got involved with the Lyme community and understood that the mental challenges that we go through during this are real, and they're big and we need to talk about them. And so that was what made me talk about it. And now I'm happily open to share anything about that. Just because it wasn't me. It was the illness that took over my body that made me think and do things that normally I never would. So it's definitely a huge thing. There's been many articles posted out there of people that lost their battle to Lyme, and most of the time it was by suicide. So it's something that needs to be talked about, I think, because there could be a listener out there right now thinking they're done and they're going to do it, and then they hear a story like yours of where you didn't want to be a burden to anyone, but you made it through lime, and you had no money, and you had no job. The impossible can absolutely be possible.
We just got to maneuver around, figure out our way. Yes. And hope. You have to have hope and be resilient like yourself, and we can't give up.
[00:26:40] Speaker D: Yeah. It's so sad because I feel like, it is the disease, because it impacts neurologically.
And it's also a crazy making situation to be met with denial of one's reality or the disease that one has.
Yeah.
[00:27:04] Speaker B: Can you paint a picture of where you were at your worst? I mean, what did that look like?
[00:27:13] Speaker D: So some things that come to my mind is after, when I had the Lyme meningitis, I could not remember where I lived, which pets of mine were alive, which were dead.
At a certain point. This was like, probably a year later, I was still messed up.
I moved up to New York, and my ex boyfriend, who I was staying with, he overheard me on the phone calling a doctor, and I spelled my last name wrong, and he corrected me. I was like, oh, my God. So I was pretty messed up. I had something called my clonus where it was like my brain, I think it was like my brain was shaking, and it was scary. I couldn't drive consistently, and I didn't feel comfortable with it because it was like my brain was shaking in my head.
[00:28:15] Speaker B: Was your head physically shaking or you just kind of felt it, that it was shaking inside?
[00:28:20] Speaker D: I felt like my brain was shaking inside.
[00:28:25] Speaker B: So kind of cognitively and then also emotionally, you're impacted. How about physically? Like pain, inflammation, ability to move, energy.
[00:28:38] Speaker D: Yeah, I had a severe lack of energy.
I laid flat a lot. I got dizzy.
It was almost like the lights would go out when I stood up.
If I did a certain amount of physical exertion, which wasn't even very much, I would have to lay for, like, hours, or sometimes I'd been wiped out for days if I pushed myself too far. I had a lot of pain in my joints, but for me, the hardest things were cognitive and neurological.
[00:29:14] Speaker B: And what did pushing yourself too hard means? Was that just going to the grocery store or playing a soccer, taking a.
[00:29:22] Speaker C: Shower, and getting dressed, that's it. That pushes us.
[00:29:27] Speaker D: Yeah. At certain times, yeah. It was just not even the spoons. And they say, like, spoonies.
I didn't have very many to begin with. And then as I got better, as I took more antibiotics, then it might have been like, oh, I tried hiking or, like, something else where? Then I was like, oh, that was not good. And prior to Lyme, I was a runner, and I worked out.
So a few times I got it in my head that I would try this. I didn't last very long, and then I was knocked out severely. When I would get my heart rate up, that was the big one. That actually took a couple of years after I started working where I still was like having the chronic fatigue stuff.
But I got back.
[00:30:14] Speaker B: Did you kind of take antibiotics all the way until you got better or was there kind of a time frame? You did antibiotics and then you did other things and you got better.
[00:30:31] Speaker D: So I consistently took antibiotics for the most part because I would be so messed up when I stopped. When I did stop antibiotics for a little while, I would take, like, green botanicals, lb core, which are herbal antibiotics, like three different herbal ones.
I would end up having to find something or at various junctures. I just got a regular family physician to prescribe me doxycycline, just to take a low dose to kind of keep it at bay. So that, for me was like, how I did things. After a couple of weeks, I would just be like, not okay without them.
[00:31:20] Speaker B: And how long did you do antibiotics for total? From beginning to end?
[00:31:29] Speaker D: Not totally consistently, but it was like, I'd say two and a half years. Okay, almost three.
[00:31:36] Speaker C: And you had said that they had kind of messed up your stomach.
[00:31:41] Speaker D: Oh, yeah.
[00:31:42] Speaker C: And so how is your stomach now? How were you able to repair that?
[00:31:52] Speaker D: I don't know. I mean, I'm honestly still on the lime diet.
I was before the big lime, after the hashimoto's, so I don't react to all the sugar, I don't eat that many simple carbs.
And I'm okay with this diet. It makes me feel good.
I want to heal my stomach.
Got actually, that doctor in New York gave me this.
It's something that's used for IBS.
And I ended up getting huge amounts of it. And I took that for a while, which was like it was a collagen or something related to it. And it was from a pharmaceutical company. And I did take that concurrently and for quite a long time because they gave me a lot.
[00:32:49] Speaker B: Great. So like a collagen or colostrum?
[00:32:53] Speaker D: Yes, colostrum. Plus, I have to say that I really feel like the ayahuasca healed my stomach.
[00:33:01] Speaker B: Beautiful.
Along your gut, you have, like, 30 plus different neurotransmitters that are produced there. So you got more neurotransmitters along your gut than you have in your brain. So if you work on your emotions, your traumas, your belief systems, which the ayahuasca helped you, that is then going to correct the production of the neurotransmitters in your gut.
It does correlate tremendously.
[00:33:33] Speaker C: Interesting. I didn't know that. So that kind of makes sense, right?
[00:33:37] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:37] Speaker D: It's also antiparasitical in nature, just on its own.
[00:33:43] Speaker B: Yeah. That's amazing. And so what did you do after, when you stopped the antibiotics then you were just good. I mean, you're still doing the ayahuasca, you're still part of your community or church, but did you just feel that you're good and didn't need to do anything more?
[00:34:09] Speaker D: No. So it was more of where I didn't have any more money. So I was like, okay, I'm done. But that's when I really committed to the green botanicals, the buner herbs, the LB core. I also found that the extract with the. It was like chinese cat's claw.
That particular one, I took quite a bit. It's for neurological Lyme and just the simple lb core, which is pretty affordable.
So I did that for a while after the antibiotics, and it was like a slow more of realization, like, okay, I'm pretty well, I'm well, I can keep going now and not go back to them, the antibiotics, and then like, oh, I can stop taking this lb core.
[00:35:03] Speaker B: You mentioned Lyme diet, so what does your lime diet look like?
[00:35:10] Speaker D: So my lime diet looks like beef and red meat for me. I was vegetarian 13 years, and I eat meat. It looked like fish and, like, so much salad and vegetables and fruit, but not the high sugar fruit.
Like smoothies.
Green smoothies with some blueberries. Frozen?
Yeah, simple. Some dark chocolate, like low sugar dark chocolate. This is still how I eat.
[00:35:43] Speaker B: Okay, so you're talking about your diet you were doing before, which sounds like a crunchy Californian.
[00:35:53] Speaker D: Yes, still my diet.
[00:35:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Great. I mean, there's no judgment. It's an excellent diet.
And then you mentioned meat. So is it that you brought in lots of meat now as well, or.
[00:36:12] Speaker D: No.
[00:36:13] Speaker B: And what kind of benefit did you feel that that had?
[00:36:17] Speaker D: I felt a lot stronger and healthier and more grounded, and I had more energy.
[00:36:25] Speaker B: So it's not like you're on a carnivore diet now. It's more that you brought that into in addition to what you were doing before.
[00:36:33] Speaker D: Yeah, I was vegetarian a long time, from like 13 to 20, I don't remember, but I ate more meat when I had Lyme disease.
[00:36:49] Speaker B: What made you kind of go in that direction?
[00:36:53] Speaker C: I was just going to ask that. Yeah, that's kind of a big switch, especially when you're sick.
[00:37:00] Speaker D: Well, I didn't go from vegetarian to eating meat. I had already been eating meat, but I noticed that I needed more protein.
[00:37:08] Speaker C: Okay, yeah.
[00:37:12] Speaker B: I've seen that. And it's for each person. So we have some people that got Lyme disease, and they go to plant based and organic, and they feel fantastic, and that's how they eat, and they do great. So it's a little bit from person to person. Then some people, like yourself, bringing in the meat and feel a little bit more grounded, a little bit more energy, and feel more solid in sort of way.
[00:37:42] Speaker D: Yeah, I think it brought me back into balance because I had kind of been the opposite before.
[00:37:48] Speaker B: Yeah, sometimes, because vegetarian is very kind of windy. It's like wind, and then obviously, meat is a little bit more earth, but it depends on what the individual is needing.
Is there anything that you feel that you've learned on your journey over and above what we discussed, that you would like people that are diagnosed with Lyme to really know that you've kind of learned on your journey?
[00:38:27] Speaker D: Um, so, for me, I think I learned that it is futile to try to convince certain people of things.
It's better for me to just walk away and find the doctors or the people that are open to receiving what I'm saying or listening to me.
I spend a lot of time trying to convince people of the validity of things, and it was a waste of my energy and, yeah, kind of like, find the helpers, like that Mr. Rogers quote. Like, find the helpers and don't waste your energy on the people that are bringing down you down, because you already have a lot bringing you down.
[00:39:22] Speaker C: Yeah. And I think just hearing these people over and over that they don't believe what we're saying to them, it really messes with your psyche.
We're already messed up. And I know for myself, and I think other people, too, they get to a point where they actually think it's all in their head. Like, maybe I have a mental illness, that I just lost my shit one day, like, what happened? I don't know. We really start believing that, and so that's a good point to make. Yeah. Don't mess around, because it's real. Find the people that don't question you and want to help you navigate through.
[00:40:01] Speaker B: That, and they're out there. That's the thing, is that instead of wasting energy convincing somebody, just use that energy for finding the right person.
[00:40:14] Speaker D: Yeah. And I think the other thing is, don't stay in places that are not serving you if you have options to try it, but they're riskier. For me, at least, taking leaps of faith paid off and opened more doors if I felt like it was a good thing. But me, Eliza of the past, always made more stagnant, but comfortable, but safe in my mind, I was like, it's safe choices, but that didn't really help me. It wasn't really safe, actually, because it was damaging.
[00:40:59] Speaker B: Yeah, because it follows the same paradigm that you have to battle so much when you have Lyme.
That is sort of say that the safe paradigm, in order to be able to obviously find something, you need to operate in a different space. Well, Eliza, it's been such a pleasure having you, and thank you so much for sharing your journey and talking about things that a lot of people don't want to talk about but still need to hear and still need to learn about. So thank you so much.
[00:41:35] Speaker C: Yes, we really appreciate just people coming on and sharing different perspectives, because there's not one thing for everything, and not everything is for everyone. So we appreciate you being open about your journey and sharing with us, and we're super happy that you're in a good place and happy and healthy. So thanks so much for joining.
[00:41:57] Speaker D: Thank you.
[00:41:58] Speaker B: Thank you.
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