Episode Transcript
[00:00:01] Speaker A: Welcome back to Integrative lyme Solutions with Dr. Karl Felt.
[00:00:05] Speaker B: I am so excited about the show that we have ahead of us. We have some phenomenal information that could save lives. You're going to need to tune in to what's going on today. The information is jam packed, so don't step away.
[00:00:24] Speaker C: Hello.
[00:00:24] Speaker B: Thank you so much for joining Integrative lyme Solutions with Dr. Karl Feldt. I am your host, Dr. Michael Karlfeld. I've been in clinical practice since 1987. I've seen pretty much everything under the sun, worked with so many different Lyme patients, and I know what a devastating disease this is. That's why I'm doing this podcast to make sure that you are armed with the information that you need in order to be able to be successful in your struggle with Lyme. We'll be featuring authors, doctors, professors, and also people like yourself that have gone through the journey that you're going through, that have been where you've been and is now on the other side. And they get to tell their victorious story as to how they battle Lyme so that you can implement that in your life as well. Be sure to like us and write a review on whichever platform that you're listening on. What that does is it enables other people to see us more so that they have access to this information as well. So I'm so excited that you're tuning in and get ready for this upcoming show. It is going to be amazing. Well, today I have the wonderful honor to be chatting with Dr. Nafisa Paria. Thank you so much for being with me today.
[00:01:48] Speaker C: Thank you so much for having me.
[00:01:51] Speaker B: Well, you are one of the leaders in regards to Lyme solutions, integrative Lyme therapies. You've really been able to move the needle for a lot of people. You're, you're owner of a clinic where, you know, you have. Dr. Eric Gordon. You have. I mean, there are so many, so many people there that are just amazing. So tell me, how did you get into the space? I mean, because Lyme is, it always seems to be like a calling. It's not like somebody wakes up and feel like I'm going to do line and there, there's always some story behind it.
[00:02:27] Speaker C: You know, for me, the story was, was when I was in naturopathic medical school, I, I felt, I knew they were, they were training us to be good primary care physicians of naturopathic medicine. But I wanted more. I wanted to work with people who had nuances. I wanted to work with people in, in a very deep level beyond say a urinary tract infection or their toenail fungus. Right. Or all the various reasons you go to the primary care doctor. So I sought out the teachings of Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt. So I attended many of his classes and his seminars while I was a student. And then I ended up working in that clinic in their IV room and then shadowing him and his top doctors at the time. And it was when I was in that clinic that I really knew this is, this is where I want to be in this space of healing and working with people. And then it all just took off from there.
[00:03:27] Speaker B: Yeah. And he, I mean, he's such a trailblazer when it comes to this field. You know, some of the therapies that he's brought forth. You know, what were some of the therapies that you kind of, when you, in the beginning saw what he was doing, that you felt like, ah, this, this is really powerful. And, and I really like to bring this on.
[00:03:49] Speaker C: I think the biggest thing I learned from him was the importance of detoxification. I carry that with me today. I've really made it my own. It's not necessarily the way, the exact way he does it, but within the framework. Yes. I'd say the thing he taught most is that we can try and kill infections till the cows come home, but if we haven't detoxed the body appropriately, the body's still going to be a host where these multitude of infections, chronic infections that people have. And so that is what I carry with me the most.
[00:04:26] Speaker B: I love that. Yeah. And that's such a, that's an important component. And people forget that. Exactly what you're saying. We, we see we have Lyme or we have some chronic infection and we just want to kill, kill, kill.
Not realizing that these, these pathogens exist in a terrain and. Yeah. Or is that terrain something that promotes their existence or it's something that, you know, makes them not as, as active.
[00:04:55] Speaker C: Exactly. That. We find some people are much more sensitive to these chronic infections than they think, oh, I just have Lyme or I just have Bartonella or maybe they, they know they have multiple tick borne diseases, but they've got so much else going on besides just those infections. And a lot of times they do, they want to come in and just kill, kill, kill, but that the time is not right often. And I think that people want to superimpose the acute model of care onto complex chronic illness. And it's just not something that works.
Complex chronic illness can't be Supported by the acute model of care. If someone has, you know, an acute infection, of course I'm going to want to kill that right away. But when it's chronic, we have to step back and take a look at the whole, as you said, terrain, really understand what's going on with that individual person.
[00:05:49] Speaker B: Because in the medical model, a lot of times you have kind of this disease, that pill, you know, and, and frequently we were thinking in a similar fashion, even in naturopathic medicine, where you're thinking maybe this bug, this cure or this herb or this pill there as well, and forgetting exactly what you're saying, the importance of looking at the hole and it's not just becoming bug specific.
[00:06:20] Speaker C: Right, exactly that.
[00:06:24] Speaker B: And then how. So you were at Klinghardt and then I know also you were dear friend, Dr. Isaac Elias for a while as well and worked with.
[00:06:35] Speaker C: I was. And now that is where I learned how to detox in a brand new way. And that is, that is through using different intravenous therapies to detox. I won't talk about that too much today, but, but it is, it is an amazing way to detox a patient when it's appropriate and to balance that with when we're treating the infections.
[00:06:59] Speaker B: So when, when a, a person comes to you with, and they're presenting with very complex health disorders and we're suspecting things like Lyme, how do you, how do you start to unravel that? What does the process look like for you?
[00:07:14] Speaker C: Now? I tell my patients, first of all, some people come to me knowing that they already have. I'll say Lyme. Right. Because we know it's so much more than that. They come in saying, I have this diagnosis of Lyme or co infections and I want you to treat it. These patients are highly, highly sensitive. Some people come in, they don't know what is going on. They have multiple systems affected. I want to backtrack for a moment and say that most of these patients have multiple systems affected in their body. They've got, we've been talking about, they've got multiple triggers, multiple root causes, multiple systems affected, multiple symptoms. And then they've got immune dysregulation because of this. Then they get secondary diseases like long haul Covid, for example, or chronic Lyme. I'll call that a secondary disease. So how do I unravel all of this? I tell them, you know, you might be coming to me with a diagnosis or not, but I know that you've got more than one diagnosis. This is not one size fits all so let's look for what the diagnoses are first. I'm looking for infections. They usually call multiple infections, Lyme and CO infections. Or they've got issues with fungus colonizations. They've got maybe occult dental infections or issues in their gut dysbiosis or parasites. So they've got multiple infections. Usually these people have high environmental toxin load. I'm looking for glyphosate, I'm looking for metals, solvents, phthalates. Or I might be looking for their immune response to these toxins. Usually they have structural integrity issues. Their tissues are too tight, they've got issues with their fascia, or maybe their ligaments are too lax.
Or they have issues in their lifestyle. Most of them sleep poorly or they have had trauma. I put that in lifestyle.
Trauma is a big piece for these patients. And then all of this creates inflammation that is now stuck in a loop. It's inflammation should be transient to contain the insult. Right. That's the first part of the cell danger response. But with these patients, they're constantly inflamed and now they're even sicker. Now they've, now they've got. Inflammation meets the genesis. So I want to look at all of these things. The first thing I'm looking at really is what are the root causes? And I'm also looking at how is this showing up for you with respect to inflammation in your system. There's some tests we could do, but also I'm really listening to the patient taking a clear clinical history to understand how all of this is going on in the patient. So first I'm. My first step is really understanding who the patient is in front of me as a unique individual.
[00:10:09] Speaker B: Yeah. And that's. That becomes. So here you have an individual, they deal with all these issues and the immune system, dysregulation, several root causes, several infections, several chemicals, heavy metals that deal with all this stuff that they come in. And then is there a certain process that you go through that this site I need to unravel first before we can get to that. Before we can get to that. Is there somewhat of it. And I know each one is different, so you can't always say this is what always happened. But is it a general guideline that you have that you follow?
[00:10:53] Speaker C: There is. So it does. Depending on the patient. We just said that. And that's absolutely true. But you know, there is, there is a template and that template does shift depending on the patient. Some people come in and they want to talk about trauma right away. Some people are not Ready for that until the very, very end of, of treatment or somewhere in the middle. So that piece sometimes is addressed right away.
I let the patient decide if they want to talk about, I can sense who wants to talk about this right away and I'll let them decide if they want to start there.
I'm often starting with structural integrity and immune dysregulation. We have an amazing healer that we work with at our clinic and he works on nervous system dysregulation or working on the fascia, working on the areas which are stuck in the system, old injury sites. Because once I start to detox or once I start to kill infections, more inflammation is going to get created. These patients are already inflamed. So one of the first things I'm doing is setting the system up so the inflammation that naturally arises from treatment doesn't sour their whole treatment, doesn't make things worse. Because it could do that. It could be the right treatment, but at the wrong time. So structural integrity is one of the first things. And then immune dysregulation. Before we hit record, we talked a little bit about going into mast cell activation syndrome, treating the immune system.
The immune dysregulation, including mast cell activation syndrome is one of the first things I do for the patients using peptides. It's true. We can talk more about that after. So structure integrity, immune dysregulation.
And then I'm going to start to detox the patient as it is right for that patient and then I'm going to layer in treating infections. Another thing I want to say is one of the first thing I'm also doing is balancing the hormones as well.
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[00:15:13] Speaker B: So it's interesting as you're going through these things, all the things that you look at prior to even considering the infections.
[00:15:22] Speaker C: Right, Exactly.
[00:15:25] Speaker B: So, so when you, you talked about trauma, you know, and, and, you know, see what, what's there. How does that relate to infections? I mean, what. Cause here you have your, your thinking and an infection.
I mean, I'm, I'm finding my mind, you know, how, how can my. How can what my head is going through, you know, emotionally have anything to do, you know, with a bug? Because there's a bug there, and, and you think that that's what's causing it all.
[00:15:53] Speaker C: Right. A lot of these patients have had adverse childhood events, a lot of trauma in their childhood. Not that going through trauma causes these infections to occur. Not at all. But going through a lot of trauma can, I've noticed, often set the stage for people to become more vulnerable to common exposures, common bugs. And, you know, I think it's. It's due to the immune dysregulation that can take place when we're under stress. So these people have been under significant emotional stress? Could be currently, actually. Usually they are stressed emotionally and spiritually at this time because they are sick. That's causing an emotional burden. But a lot of them have had emotional burdens ongoing in their life, which then created immune dysregulation. And then once the immune system is dysregulated, it's going to be more permissive to these infections. So that's how that's connected.
[00:17:00] Speaker B: Yeah, and you mentioned earlier that, you know, some People, because you can have, you know, same level of bug exposure or, you know, or amount of bugs in us, and one person may be extremely symptomatic and the other one won't even know it. So you. So you feel that these kind of factors, like you're talking about traumas or, you know, emotional events earlier in life or prior to kind of put a person more at risk to be impacted by these infections.
[00:17:33] Speaker C: Right now it's. It's interesting. It's not this way with everybody. Right. There are some people who've been through a lot of trauma in their life, and they're not sick. So it doesn't. It's not that it is a for sure thing. Right. It doesn't always go that way. But with the patients who come to me, the ones who, who. Who do have complex chronic illness, it is often, not all the time, that trauma is a part of their history. The thing is, I. I say it's also about the sensitivity of the person. Right. What could be traumatic for one person might not be for another person.
It's that some person, you could do this to someone.
Someone. Someone might really feel it as a tap, but another person might feel it as a slap. And it's about the sensitivity of the patient. So I think it's not about the size of the trauma, maybe not even how long it's been it went on for, but how it landed in that person. Some people feel the nuances more than other people. Right. We. Dr. Gordon, I talk often about there being sand people and rock people. Right. The. The rock people, you have to give them a lot of medicine to make anything move. The traumas have barely touched them. But the sand people, they felt those traumas. The immune system responded more. So it's so personalized.
[00:19:03] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. And. And I still remember, you know, I can't remember when Dr. Klinghardt, you know, we used to have these retreats, Whidbey island and. Yeah. In Washington, outside of Washington, and kind of get a hang out with him for like a week or so, you know, straight. And so he was mentioned, he was kind of doing comparison. Exactly what you're talking about. You can have a child in Africa and they're hit by a car, and somehow they're bounced back in a very short period of time. And then you compare that to somebody that have just a little fender bender, and then here they have complex health pain syndrome that's really, really severe that they can't get out of. And so it really depends on how you perceive the event.
[00:19:56] Speaker C: Right, right. And that's not anything I can measure on paper. I can't take someone's blood and be able to say, you're more sensitive because of this, this and this. I think it's something about just who the person is in the spirit. And it's not a bad. It's not. It lands bad in, in that moment of, of experience. It's not a good experience. But I also want to say on the, on the flip side, the other side of this is that I find these patients to be. That are highly sensitive. That's also their gift. A lot of them have a clairvoyance. They can read the hearts of other people. They can sense the magic in the world. Some of them know it, some of them don't know it until after they get better. But I think there's this duality in life and in the patients that we see. We get to witness that dwell any more than most people do.
[00:20:56] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. No. And, and you're, you're. I see patients just like you. You know, they're very, you know, they're. They're empaths. You know, they can go into a restaurant and then all of a sudden they feel the emotions of, you know, everyone around them. And. Yeah. So it's a lot of energy to deal with and a lot of impact on the nervous system.
[00:21:18] Speaker C: Right.
[00:21:20] Speaker B: So how. You mentioned, one of the things that we touched on briefly or you mentioned a little bit, was the immune system dysregulation, which becomes a really big deal. So it's not always the pathogen in itself. It's how the immune system responds to the pathogen that can become more of the issue. So how do you. And people you take. Give them a little bit of something and then symptomatically, it just gets horrible. They get pain, they get migraines and neurological conditions, I mean, skin disorders, whatever it may be. How do you navigate that? Because that is so hard. I know when you're trying to move the needle and their immune system keeps overreacting and saying no to what you're doing.
[00:22:07] Speaker C: Right. So usually they're saying no to what we're doing. When it's killing at the wrong time, when it's detox at the wrong time, they're usually not saying no to mast cell activation syndrome treatment soon, or they're usually not saying no to the right peptide early on at the right dosage. I found that these are the tools I can use to enter the system. Now, there are some people who. They're even going to say no to those things. They'll say no to water.
I don't mean no is coming out of their mouth, but I mean their, their system is saying no. It's a rejection of anything. Right. These are the people who need the healing work, the bodywork first to work on the nervous system. There are some patients who've been in our clinic. We haven't been able to touch them with anything for a year until they've had a year's worth of healing work and bodywork. We call it entering through the back door. Right. I tell my patients, like, I can't come through the front door. Barging in. I have to come through the back door and knock, say, hi, I'm here. Okay. And we're going to try by modulating your immune system first. Most people say yes. I'd say about 10% of our patients will say their systems will say no. I can't even modulate the immune system first. Right. So usually it works like that.
[00:23:33] Speaker B: And when you talk about modulating the immune system and how do you do that? Yeah. What, what, what are some of the tools that, that you use?
[00:23:43] Speaker C: You know, I. Before the advent of the advent of peptides, I really wanted to be able to do this with herbs.
And it didn't work as well as I wanted it to with these people who are so sick, they've got multiple layers of illness trying to give them herbs to modulate the immune system. That often backfired because these patients do have mast cell activation syndrome. And they can be sensitive to the different components of herbs, the different chemical components of herbs. So I'm often starting with.
With peptides, they're just single, they're small molecules. Right. They're 40 or less amino acids. They're less complicated chemically than herbs.
So I like to start often if I'm working with mast cell activation syndrome with amalexinox, that's a peptide which we can use, calms the mast cells.
It also helps with rhinosinusitis. A lot of these people have sinus issues. So we can bring inflammation down the sinuses or in the lungs and also start to calm mast cells with Amox. TB4 frag is also a peptide that I like to use to help calm the immune system. Kpv. KPV is one which, it calms mast cells, but it also, it does work on antimicrobial, has some antimicrobial components that will kill off different staph infections or it might kill off different types of funguses.
Sometimes a patient isn't ready for kpv. So this One I might start with after I've begun with amalexinox, or I might begin with loracetide to calm leaky gut before I even want to treat the mast cells. So there's, there's a lot that we can do with the peptides first. Those have been magic, to be. To be quite honest.
[00:25:46] Speaker B: Yeah, I love peptides. I mean, to me, it's such a game changer in everything that we do for regenerative, you know, integrative oncology and Lyme disease and. Yeah, all of those things. Yeah, yeah.
[00:26:02] Speaker C: It's changed everything.
[00:26:03] Speaker B: Yeah. Can you explain, I mean, you mentioned that peptides are kind of longer chains of amino acids. That's not as long as protein, but it's, you know, 40amino acids or less. Can you explain a little bit what a peptide is and what it does? And do we have just a few of them or a lot of them or what are we talking about?
[00:26:26] Speaker C: Yeah, our body makes them, so they're naturally occurring in our bodies.
And like you were saying, just repeating for our audience here, a protein is made up of 40 or more amino acids. Amino acids are the building blocks of protein, but they're also the building blocks of peptides. So peptides are 40 or less chain of a. Chain of an amino acid. So we can think of them as a building block of proteins. So we have, we have access to many, many of them, to hundreds of them. But maybe I'm not using hundreds. Right. Not everybody needs hundreds of them. The other thing is, I think that I need to say it's really important that we get our peptides from pharmacies where they focus on peptides instead of online, because peptides become very popular in the biohacking community and they can be contaminated or they might not be bioactive. We don't know what's in those peptides when we just get them from online. So sourcing is also really important.
[00:27:42] Speaker B: Yeah, and I've seen that as well. I mean, and, and what, what have you. I mean, have, have you had people that come to you and they already on a peptide and it's just not working? And then you put them on a good quality peptide that is not contaminated, that's regulated because it's a compounding pharmacy that licensed here in United States that that's producing it? Have you had that experience where now all of a sudden it works and it didn't with whatever that junk peptide was that they were getting?
[00:28:17] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely. I've had that junk peptide. Just. Yeah. Not do anything, just. No, the peptide did nothing. Well, let's try from the pharmacy or. I like integrated peptides as well. So let's try from a source that's reputable. And of course we see a change.
I have a friend who's a doctor who actually I interviewed him. So I. He said this out loud so I can, I can say it. Dr. Gordon Crozier, who works similar to the way you and I do. He once had a patient who, who, who. He. Who had healed, he wasn't sick anymore.
Suddenly he came, came in sick again with mercury toxicity. And Dr. Kroser suspected that maybe this peptide he got from some source online had mercury in it, had that peptide tested, and it did. It had mercury in it. And so then he had to detox the patient.
So we don't know what's in there.
[00:29:19] Speaker B: Yeah, and that's the issue with when you don't have reputable sources. And it's like that with supplements as well. I mean, if you go to a company that is very reputable versus other stores that just sell garbage cheap. Yeah, unabsorbable. Yeah, yeah, same.
So what do you also can use peptides for? Kind of. You were talking about KPV then also having kind of like antivirals. So we talked about the immunoregulatory effect of the peptide. So is it also able then to use to support the killing of pathogens?
[00:30:04] Speaker C: Yes. So I'm going to say I've had people come into me and they said, you know, I got put on TA1 first and it was a nightmare for me. Or I got put on a stack of peptides, I got put on five of them, I was told to take them at the same time and all hell break broke loose. Right. So we just need to be really, really careful with them and care. And I'm saying this right now because we're starting to now talk about the ones we might use for antimicrobial effects.
Usually I'm not, I'm not wanting to use Those ones first. TA1 or LL37. Most of these patients already have an autoimmune component going on.
Maybe they have an autoimmune diagnosis or they have an autoimmune tendency that we're seeing in the labs. So I am, I'm not wanting to rev that up. LL37 is a peptide that can rev up autoimmunity.
And so we want to make sure we're giving that at the right time and only at short. For short durations. So once I've modulated, if I've quiet the Immune system using perhaps TB4KpV, Amox, Lorazetide, maybe a little bit of BPC157. Maybe they've, they've got some other things on board for mast cell, like kin or cromin or maybe they have ldn. Maybe they've got all of these things on board. Right.
And they notice their system starts to calm down.
Then go ahead.
[00:31:41] Speaker B: No, go ahead, please.
[00:31:42] Speaker C: Okay. I was going to say, then I, I might slowly start to bring in some TA1 because TA1 is going to start to kick up that immune response to start killing off infections. There is research that shows that TA1 helped with people's mortality with COVID when they were in the hospital. So TA1, I've seen it do amazing things for people, not just Covid, but for other infections as well. So TA1 and then I'll bring an LL37 in for a short while if they don't have an autoimmune manifestation.
[00:32:23] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And I, yeah, during COVID I used, you know, TA1 a lot.
Yeah. And it was amazing what, how to turn people around. You know, when I had them do, I did injections twice a day. Yeah. And kind of hit it hard.
And it was incredible the impact it had on people. So, yeah, these, these are powerful tools, you know, that, that are available. And yeah, it's really amazing what, what they do.
[00:32:52] Speaker C: These peptides, they're very targeted, more than anything else. That's because they're, they're so small.
[00:32:58] Speaker B: Right. So, yeah, where I want them to.
[00:33:02] Speaker C: Go, they do what I want them to do. That's amazing.
[00:33:05] Speaker B: Exactly. And like, like you mentioned your herbs. I love herbs. I know you love herbs, but they are very complex. And so for a person that is the sensitive, sometimes that complexity, there are a lot of factors there that, that, that the body can react to. So if you reduce the amount of factors, then you have less possibilities, you know, that that can make the person go in the wrong direction.
[00:33:30] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, back in the day before peptides, I would try and go in with herbs first. And sometimes I could, sometimes I couldn't, or I would detox first because that was the best tool I had at that time. Now I can modulate the immune system first, the way I always wanted to. Because of the peptides.
[00:33:53] Speaker B: Yeah, I love it. I love it. And, and so then when you go into, you know, you've done all this prep work and maybe you've been knocking in the back door for like a year, like you mentioned, and do you feel that you always have to go after the pathogens or is sometimes just this prep work enough?
[00:34:14] Speaker C: Sometimes the prep work is enough. How about you?
[00:34:18] Speaker B: I. I see the same thing. Yeah, I see the same. So it's. It's not frequently. It's just not the pathogen. It's. It's just the dysregulation. The body.
[00:34:27] Speaker C: Right. The immune system can now handle the pathogens.
[00:34:30] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:34:31] Speaker C: Usually these people aren't able to mount the appropriate immune response needed to kill off the infection. But once we have done what we need to do to get their immune system back on board, regulated, the immune system takes care of it. You know, I think that we should be able to walk side by side with these bugs with mold. I mean, mold has been around since longer than we have been. I think we should be able to walk side by side with Lyme and co infections. People who end up being our patients, They've got this immune dysregulation, this inflammation going on. So if we can start there, I think we can often get the people, the patient to be able to handle the infection.
[00:35:12] Speaker B: And why do you think? Because looking back 30 years, 40 years, lime and mold, it was not really something that was talked about that much. And it didn't seem like there was as great of a need to talk about it, but now it is. Now it's something that a lot of people are impacted by. Why do you feel there's such a shift in such a short period of time? Because like you mentioned, mold's been around forever.
Borrelia, the lime bug's been around forever. Why do you feel there's been such a shift?
[00:35:47] Speaker C: I think it has to do with environmental toxins. I think that's where it started prior to the pandemic, prior to more stress in our lives with politics.
But really, I think that glyphosate, metals, microplastics, we didn't have these as prevalent 30 years ago. We didn't have these illnesses as prevalent 30 years ago. I think now in the past four years, it's skyrocketed even more because of spike protein. We've seen a lot of people with long Covid and I think now just. I don't want to talk too much about politics, but it's a hard time in the world right now. And my patients feel that going back to them being empaths, there's a certain level of stress in the world. I think that wasn't there before. So there's all of these reasons going back to the stress creating immune dysregulation, the Immune dysregulation, creating more inflammation. Now we're more susceptible to toxins. We now have more spike protein or more micro clots due to Covid on top of glyphosate on top of metals. We're seeing these illnesses more in the past four years than we did over the past 30 years.
[00:37:17] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. No, I agree that it's like the human body is being tested to see how much it can handle before it finally breaks. So let's bring in a little bit of chemicals and toxins. And now let's bring in, we have the media that's just bombarding us with stressful information. And we're continually on devices that sucking out our brain energy and all our dopamine. And so, and then let's add 5G and let's add, you know, all these different factors. And then all of a sudden, you know, the body just can't handle what it normally handled.
[00:37:56] Speaker C: Right. Especially the highly sensitive person. I think we didn't evolve so fast as these things have been coming at us. It takes what, 25,000 years for our genes to change. Our genes have not caught up to all of this.
[00:38:13] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. We're throwing at it, you know, so quickly. Yeah. So when do you, let's, let's say that we kind of come to the point that now we need to go after some of the pathogens. Is there certain kind of strategy in regards to who to go after first? You go after like mold first, Bartonella parasite. I mean, what do you do first?
[00:38:36] Speaker C: Typically, I am going for mold first.
If parasites are a big issue, I might go for them first. That is something I learned from Dr. Klinghardt. Another interesting thing that Dr. Klinghardt taught back in the day was that he didn't like to go after the different pathogens one by one. He liked to use broad spectrum. And over my time, over my, my years of working, you know, I, I like to take that approach in the beginning, definitely. Like I remember Dr. Wayne Anderson saying, it's, it's like there's, there's a stump and, and it's, you can't see the stump. It's in a yard. And that yard has tall, tall grass. And you have to mow the lawn to be able to get at that stump. So I, I, that's the approach I'm taking. First, just follow the things we talked about, setting up the system. I considered that that's mowing the lawn. Then we might find the stump and the stump. Meaning what, what are those bugs? Usually it's Usually it's mold and lime. I've never, I'm not going to say never. I, I, I, I typically don't see somebody who's highly affected by tick borne disease who, who doesn't also have a mold issue. It's probably 75, 80% of my patients that have both of these going on. So usually I'm going after the mold and the mycotoxins first because I've noticed, and I'm sure you have, and most of the doctors in our circle have noticed that until we deal with the mold and the mycotoxins, the immune dysregulation that causes is very difficult to go after. The tick borne disease, it doesn't really work so well. So first the mole, then probably the parasites, then the tick borne diseases. Often the viruses take care of themselves or we have to go after the viruses.
So.
[00:40:34] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the mold is, I mean it's such a complex and intelligent organism and people don't realize how, I mean it's survived for, you know, how long on earth. Yeah. So it has figured out, you know, how to exist and not be killed. So. Yeah. And so it's able to hijack our immune system, hijack our hormonal system, our nervous system and. Yeah. And I mean it's really fascinating organism, isn't it?
[00:41:08] Speaker C: And then it can colonize so many different places. People don't think to look at the lungs. People constantly cough up phlegm. They have issues in the lungs, but no one's really doing a good sputum test for that or in the ears or, you know, not only the gut. I think doctors like to think of it only as being in the gut, but there are other places they can be.
[00:41:33] Speaker B: And how is your kind of favorite process of dealing with mold? I mean here you're talking in the lungs. So do you have them inhale, you know, glutathione hydro peroxide? What, what do you do?
[00:41:47] Speaker C: Yeah, glutathione to help calm, help bring the inflammation down in the lungs. Inflate nebulized argentin can really help. And then I once had a patient who had aspergillosis in her lungs. It was like that for 20 years.
Nobody, nobody could treat it. And it got worse during allergy season. So of course working on mastivation syndrome, working on the allergies. And then I brought In Le peptides TA1 and LL37 together, that combination. Finally she was able to get rid of the aspergillosis in her lungs. That, that's an amazing, an amazing case.
[00:42:34] Speaker B: I think that's exciting. I mean, and it's so wonderful when you. Here you have people that have lost their life. I mean, they. And then they are able to find solutions coming to someone like yourself.
And all of a sudden, yes, it's a journey, and yes, it's a hassle to do all these things, but then you have a life after and not having to deal with all these things that maybe you've dealt with for 20, 30, know some people for a very long time.
[00:43:04] Speaker C: Right. That is the truth. It's not easy to treat these things. And it is a journey. I mean, our patients are coming on a journey with us. This is no casual event at all. And after that journey, though, they're grateful life has changed, that they get a new life, and they're happy with that. And so are we.
[00:43:26] Speaker B: Yeah, that. That's why we do it, because we love to see the change in people and. And see kind of life, you know, in. Into an.
How. Yeah. And there's always this question. Also.
We talked about herbs, peptides, and. Yeah, those type of things. But then you have some doctors that really hit it hard with antibiotics and other people that stay more on the herbal, and then you have combination.
What is your thought and your feeling?
[00:43:57] Speaker C: You know, we have. Actually, our clinic is filled with doctors who do it differently, which is wonderful. Dr. Harris is the guru of antibiotics, and I'm not. I don't do that when I feel like somebody needs that.
It's neurological. Lyme. Lyme is now. Now that they have MS, they have Parkinson's, I want them to have IV antibiotics. I'm gonna talk with Dr. Harris, or I might transfer them to Dr. Harris for that time for him to manage the antibiotics.
I think there's merit to that way of treating when it's the right person.
I don't need to treat that way. I haven't needed to. I'm happy to send them over when the. If it. If it is needed. It's typically not needed. I. I haven't needed it.
Not that often. Just a small percentage of my patients.
I think there's so many ways to treat it. There's no one model.
Different doctors are gifted in different ways, for sure.
[00:45:06] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. And each individual, you treat differently than I treat. And obviously, there's still a lot of similarities, but they're always kind of a uniqueness in each doctor that's doing what they do. And it's not like one is the right way and one isn't as a wrong way. And I think that patients Find themselves going to the doctor that resonate with what they need. And then the tools that doctor have. That's unique to that doctor becomes a good pathway for that patient.
[00:45:43] Speaker C: It's true. I've really seen that the right patient lands with the right doctor. I pray for that. I pray, please bring me the right patients, the ones that I can help, the ones I'm meant to work with, and the ones who are not meant for me, don't bring them. I don't want that. You know, I want the right fit.
And usually it is. And I've noticed that with the doctors in our clinic, as I've observed. Huh. The right patient with the right doctor, somehow it's just some kind of magic that happens.
[00:46:15] Speaker B: Yeah. I love that. And with antibiotics, it's a powerful, powerful therapy. It always comes with collateral damage. And so if you don't have to have that collateral damage, and obviously, it's better not to.
[00:46:28] Speaker C: Right. I will agree.
[00:46:31] Speaker B: Yeah.
Do you mind sharing a story of somebody you worked with that came in and kind of the effect of that, just so people and our listing can get a flavor of what these type of therapies can do?
[00:46:51] Speaker C: Yeah. We had a patient who came in from another country with als. This was a few years ago, probably three years ago, when he first came in. He couldn't walk through the parking lot. He needed to be in a wheelchair.
He. He. He was. He had this hoarseness in his voice. He couldn't.
He. He couldn't. He couldn't speak without there being difficulty. His. His hands were like this, like this, but further down on his lap, just like. He couldn't move them past this. He came for several months now. He had a diagnosis of Lyme and CO infections, and in his country, he'd been treated for that with IV antibiotics, and it helped for three months. But then all his symptoms came raging back. So he came to us, of course, we tested to see had there been a relapse in these infections. There hadn't been. Those treatments had been infected. I mean, had been at. Those infections had been treated. They were. They were not active.
So why did he have this relapse and symptoms? Well, there were other things going on.
He had dental infections that were much more than a regular dental infection. He had root canals that had been infected, and it was pretty bad.
He had sibo. But the most important thing is that very, very high environmental toxin load that had not been treated for glyphosate was high. Metals were high. He had worked in an occupation where there was a lot of exposure and lived in a place where there's a lot of exposure to metals and other toxins. So he was at our clinic for a few months. A lot of detoxification therapies, using a lot of phosphatidylcholine and exosomes and heavy metal detox.
And by the time it was time to leave us, he. He wasn't cured yet. Okay. But he was able to move his hands. I'll never forget the time he sat across from me and he could move his hands. There were tears in his eyes. He said, I felt like I was in jail, Like I. I finally have freedom. He could walk again. Okay. This man was out of his wheelchair. Not. He couldn't run. He couldn't walk far. Right. Couldn't go on a long walk, but he could walk through the parking lot. Now he could walk through the halls of the clinic before he was in a wheelchair. So, you know, treatment. He then went home and had the dental work done.
So there's a lot that can be done with these treatments. And again, this was. This was where the infections were gone.
And I think that speaks volumes to. It's not always about the infections. The infections may have set the stage. They may have turned on certain neuroimmunological pathways, but there can be other triggers that then flip that switch on and turn that same pathway on again. Once the body learns a certain set of symptoms, it can. It can easily access those symptoms again. So we need to clear out his system.
[00:50:09] Speaker B: Yes, we do.
[00:50:09] Speaker C: All our patients.
[00:50:11] Speaker B: And I mean, the change in quality of life for that individual, I mean, that's just phenomenal. And, yes, he was not all. He was not out there playing tennis or. Yeah, he was. But being able to walk and use your hands and, I mean, how that opens up life for an individual like that, really?
[00:50:34] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:50:35] Speaker B: Yeah. Wonderful. Well, Nafisa, it's always such a pleasure to chat with you, and I'm so grateful for people like yourself that has such a big heart and really out there caring for patients and helping them on their journey and to show that there's hope at the other end. So thank you for everything that you do, and thank you for spending this time with me.
[00:50:59] Speaker C: I feel the exact same way about you, all the wonderful things you do. Thank you for doing that. Thank you for having me.
[00:51:06] Speaker B: Thank you so much.
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