Episode Transcript
[00:00:01] Speaker A: Welcome back to Integrative lyme Solutions with Dr. Karl Feldt. I am so excited about the show that we have ahead of us. We have some phenomenal information that could save lives.
You're gonna need to tune in to what's going on today. The information is jam packed, so don't step away.
[00:00:22] Speaker B: Well, such a pleasure to have you, Dr. Susan Eisen on integrated Lyme solution with Dr. Karl Feld. Thank you so much for spending this time with.
[00:00:32] Speaker C: Thank you so much for having me on your show.
[00:00:36] Speaker B: You've been practicing holistic medicine for a long time. You've been in clinical practice pretty much since 1993.
[00:00:45] Speaker C: Yes, it's been a while.
[00:00:47] Speaker B: It's been a while. And you've done a lot. You've been kind of working statewide and really, you've really been kind of supporting chiropractic within the state. You've done some amazing things.
[00:01:00] Speaker C: Well, thank you very much.
[00:01:02] Speaker B: So tell me, yeah, tell me a little bit about your practice first, before, before we actually get into your story. And then also I want to then get into what came out of your story as well. Because obviously when Lyme touches a person, then you want to do something about it. But if you don't mind sharing a little bit about who you are and what kind of practice that, that you have and your focus and your practice.
[00:01:27] Speaker C: Sure. So I am a holistic chiropractor. I've always had a strong personal emphasis on clean eating. For me, that would mean non GMO organic.
I also work with structural abnormalities, different things, people coming in with migraines and scoliosis and low back disc conditions.
The type of chiropractic that I practice is much more holistic.
It employs the use of a special table. So I do like to say for all of the different chiropractors out there, we all sort of have our own protocols and blends that we develop along way.
And certainly that would be the same for me. You find what works best and then just try to develop the best outcomes.
As far as with my table, it's a hydraulic dropping table. So it allows me to do a lot more work than just a simple old style chiropractic adjustment. And I do a lot of acupressure and holistic adjunctive type of therapy.
[00:02:47] Speaker B: And your table, I read somewhere it's in the Smithsonian Institute as well or what?
[00:02:53] Speaker C: Yes, that's a funny story. It is the. Not my table, but the prototype of the table that I'm using is somewhere maybe in the cellar at this point of the Smithsonian but it was on display at some point for its advanced engineering, I guess, and biomechanical setup.
I think at that time they just had levers and pulleys. And nowadays it's hydraulic and hooked up to an air compressor. So it's very smooth.
[00:03:30] Speaker B: Yeah, I love it. Yeah. Very kind of high tech, you know, because when you think of chiropractic, then you just think of somebody maybe doing that little thumper or doing kind of manipulation. But yeah, here you actually have that high tech that's assisting you in that process.
[00:03:46] Speaker C: Yes. And the chiropractor who actually developed that table and technique, his name was Dr. Clay Thompson. The table is named after him. I believe he was from somewhere in the Midwest. I don't know if he was from Iowa, but I did have the opportunity to meet him. He was a wonderful, wonderful man.
[00:04:08] Speaker B: Yeah, Love it. And so while helping all these people and getting them back to health, then all of a sudden, a winter. Things change for you.
[00:04:19] Speaker C: That's right. Back around 2008, I was bitten by a tech. Although I didn't know it at the time.
I will say as a preface to this, I did have an understanding of Lyme disease and some. Some of the symptoms based on a patient that treated in my office who I want to say was not diagnosed by a medical doctor, but was diagnosed by her dentist because she had tmj.
And I just remembered all of her symptoms.
Basically, she had a lot of neck stiffness and upper back pain, sinus issues, what have you.
And then fast forward to my situation.
I just started having all these strange symptoms and in the back of my head I was thinking Lyme disease, but I wasn't really sure. And some of the symptoms were the same. And then I remembered having a scab on the back of my neck, which, you know, us chiropractors, naturopaths, medical doctors, it's all forensic medicine and trying to develop a defense, diagnosis. And so I did put it together. And then at the time, I should say, my particular case of Lyme was neuroliosis. So it was neurologic Lyme. And I had a lot of neurological symptoms, some classic, some recognized, not recognized. I was very ocd, word retrieval, spelling issues, all of it.
And by that time, I did figure everything out and I did get on antibiotics. I do credit a lot of my ability to heal based on the fact that I did keep a very clean diet and somewhat clean products.
But even through all of that and having to twist a few arms to advocate for myself, which we know is common I still did have some persistence because in my case, it was neurological.
And I believe the borrelia went up into my vitreous humor of my eyes. And so.
But I have to say, very functional. I was able to go on and do what I needed to do.
And with the antibiotic therapy, the OCD did go away.
[00:06:57] Speaker B: So, okay, great.
[00:06:58] Speaker C: Very interesting and strange.
[00:07:00] Speaker B: And so you're saying that you were kind of putting it all together. Did you run lab tests on yourself then, or you were just kind of recognizing.
[00:07:09] Speaker C: I was doing a lot of research, and I set the bar very high for myself.
And when I decided, okay, I have Lyme disease and there was just the slightest little rash on the back of my neck, I went to the doctor next door and that's where I got antibiotics for myself. I understand about symptoms and illness. So for me, it was just, okay, these are the symptoms. This is my job. I have to fix this infection.
I was able to get the length of antibiotic use. At that time, the CDC was allowing clinical symptoms to be able to get antibiotic therapy. But I did have to twist a few arms to get the length of. I ended up getting about six weeks of doxycycline. And as I say, it helped with the symptoms. But getting back to leading into what came out of it is just how strange to me, the whole concept of having the OCD and then. And all of these symptoms. And then as soon as I was finished with the therapy or halfway through the antibiotics, they all seemed to quiet down and disappear, not to return.
[00:08:37] Speaker B: And how long did it take for you between being noticing symptoms and then getting onto treatment? And then you said once you got onto treatments and within three weeks you felt a big difference. But what kind of time span did you have in between noticing symptoms and then starting therapy?
[00:08:59] Speaker C: So I think it took a few weeks. And in my case, I was sleeping a lot like a cat. I was sleeping for 10 to 12 hours. I think I remember what really got my concern was I went to a patient's baby shower and she was living in Connecticut and talking about ticks in the grass. And it was a very long day. And I'll just fast forward to, I think when I got home that night, I went to sleep and I was very fatigued, even trying to get into bed. And it slept for 13 and a half hours. So that just was really crazy to look at the clock at my bedside, see that it was midnight, and then wake up at 1:30 the next afternoon and just felt like what hit me, that's when I really started doing a lot of research.
Yes. Going into Google somewhat, but reading all of the research studies and taking a very deep dive. And so that's when I determined, okay, I think I have Lyme disease, I need to go to a doctor. And so I want to say it was probably about four, maybe five weeks before I got on medication.
So enough time for the infection to disseminate.
[00:10:33] Speaker B: Yeah, but the beauty is that you. Yes, enough time to disseminate, but you get onto it fairly fast. Fast, considering because a lot of people, they sometimes wait decades. Yeah. Because they don't have a diagnosis. And so I would assume kind of getting onto it that quickly allowed you to have a response much faster.
[00:10:55] Speaker C: Yes, absolutely. And again, I do credit a clean lifestyle with this.
[00:11:03] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. So, and that's the thing is that in regards to all these pathogens, what kind of terrain that they exist in. So the clean living, clean lifestyle is going to make it easier for the immune system than to, to respond to these pathogens because they are not interfered by toxic terrain.
[00:11:24] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:11:25] Speaker B: And so you were talking about ocd. I'm just curious to, you know, what did ocd, how did it express itself?
[00:11:34] Speaker C: It was funny. I would have a hard time leaving my apartment. I just could not make myself believe that I double locked the door and it would take me 20 minutes to convince myself. I would think that I left the coffee maker on or the flat iron.
Whether or not I was using the coffee maker, which most times I wasn't, I would run out and get a Starbucks or Dunkin Donuts like everyone just running on their day and just very overwhelming thoughts throughout the day that were not always based on factual experience, if you will. So it was interesting and I laughed a lot about it. I knew that it was the illness, but having little experience with it, it's not something that we learned about in school that much. Yes, we kind of went through it, but not in great detail. And so it was learning on the run, basically.
[00:12:39] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And that's for people dealing like you're saying, ocd, anxiety, depression, schizophrenia, even all of these kind of neurological symptoms. It is important to understand the impact that these pathogens can have on your brain pattern, how you're thinking, how you're perceiving the world and about yourself and then obviously by addressing them, how that corrects itself.
[00:13:06] Speaker C: Yes, yeah.
[00:13:08] Speaker B: So after you finished on this six weeks of the. Was it just doxycycline you did as a therapy or did you.
[00:13:15] Speaker C: I was also very specific about the time that I took the doxy and then I was taking a probiotic at the midway point. Very much dairy restricting, but then I would push all sorts of yogurt and pre and you know, prebiotics and probiotics. During that I set a three hour window before and after each, so.
And yes, that was helpful.
[00:13:49] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. And then after the six weeks, the OCD was gone, everything was gone and I was fine.
[00:13:57] Speaker C: Although as I said, unbeknownst to me, it did harbor itself into my eyes and I started getting floaters. And I do wear contact lenses.
So one time I went for an eye exam and I thought that, I think that the eye doctor gave me too strong of a contact lens prescription, which started to pull maybe on the retina a little bit. And I started having all these floaters coming up.
And I thought that it was related to that. It could possibly have been. It may have been actually related to something entirely different, which was that I got bitten by a spider in my house and started developing symptoms. So I think this is what people sometimes don't understand, how easy it is to get infected by an insect. Doesn't even have to be a tick.
[00:15:04] Speaker B: Yeah. And the key is essentially what you're saying is that if you are terrain is clean and you are infected, you have a much better chance to address is important just for preventative measures, to eat well, to live well and to control your stress. And obviously as a chiropractor, the importance of the neurological system and how the energy needs to flow and if it is flowing, then we're going to do better.
[00:15:32] Speaker C: Yes.
Then after I was bitten by the spider, I did get tested, but I also sit on the board of a Lyme foundation in Pennsylvania. And through that I had the opportunity and Honor to meet Dr. Neil Specter. And by that time it was probably about two and a half or three years later, it was a very mild different type of situation.
And he was the one that said, I think you have Lyme much more so than Bartonella, which was shocking because I thought that a spider would carry Bartonella more so than Lyme. But it's always a learning experience. And at that point I opted to just not go on antibiotic therapy. I used herbals and immune support, which I was using with patients of mine. By that time I was actually working with different Lyme patients using functional medicine to help support the immune system.
And so that was the first thing I did. And I work with a Maitake serum, which is excellent.
I tell everyone, I don't know if they hear me, I'll tell you it's called Maitake DMG by da Vinci, is very, very, very good immune boost and support. And so it helped clear up all of my pains and my floaters.
95% within a few weeks or so. But it is all a learning experience and just now trying to get that message out about how important it is to protect yourself.
[00:17:26] Speaker B: So, you know Maitake, why? Because we have all the other mushrooms and then we have all the kind of herbals and things that we use in regards to lime. So how, you know, why Maitake? Why is that one?
[00:17:39] Speaker C: I just learned about the Maitake mushroom serum when I was working with a particular patient who, by the way, did have schizophrenia, but we also had him tested for Lyme. So we were trying to work around all of his medication and help to support the symptoms that he did have. I will say he had a terrible case of candida. And so we worked with the candida first.
It took about six months to actually clear the. The candida. And it even came out through his skin. He was a black gentleman. And basically that's when we then took the next step toward checking for Lyme.
And basically, I think what happened was I wanted to start him on a Lyme protocol, but it was on backorder. So I decided let me give him this immune supplement just to get him started.
And I would pulse him, and at the intermittent stage, I would always put him back on this Maitake serum. And it just seemed to really, really work.
I've evolved a lot with the protocols that I'm working with, and obviously you need to do what works for each patient.
[00:19:08] Speaker B: Absolutely. So, okay, so it was essentially you were. It was kind of a clinical observation as you brought Maitake, thinking I need to boost immune system, and then clinically seeing the impact on this patient, and then I would assume after seeing that you try it another patient and see.
[00:19:29] Speaker C: Similarly, we started using it on other patients, and it just seemed to really get in there and reboot the immune system.
[00:19:41] Speaker B: So much more so than other mushrooms.
So much, much more so than other mushrooms.
[00:19:49] Speaker C: I think a lot of mushrooms have a lot of different.
Really excellent effect. But, yes, more so than some of the other mushrooms. I noticed that the Maitake mushroom serum, and maybe it's just because it's such a purified serum and what it kind of helps the body to develop its own glutathione. Also very big on building blocks, sometimes giving the body what it needs to make the factors that we need to.
[00:20:27] Speaker B: Yeah, just making sure the immune system is educated and effective and controlling the.
[00:20:32] Speaker C: Environment, building the glutathione in the system.
[00:20:36] Speaker B: Exactly. And then you said your programs kind of evolve over time. What are some of the kind of latest. And again, you know, with the understanding that each individual is unique and you have to treat each individual differently. But there's kind of a overarching pattern that you've seen that seems to work well.
[00:20:56] Speaker C: Well, I work a lot these days with orthomolecular has a really excellent program with SBI protect to reestablish the gut immune connection.
Also, obviously a lot of the different herbals, we've heard them all. Japanese knotweed, artemisinum, cat's claw, all of them.
I also like cryptolepis.
I think that is really excellent as an antimicrobial.
And also using some stevia extract, which can help to break through the biofilm. And also, I should say, cell membrane support.
The phosphatidyl lipids basically need to be addressed as well, since I think that the Lyme just loves to eat all of our fats and lipids wherever they reside in the body.
[00:21:59] Speaker B: So, yeah, I think that's very delicious. And obviously healthy cell membranes are key for.
I mean, if our cells are healthy, then our tissues are healthy, and then we are healthy, so.
[00:22:12] Speaker C: And functioning.
[00:22:13] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. So you have the cell wall or cell membrane therapy has been a very powerful tool alongside with obviously the herbal antimicrobials and correcting gut and supporting immune system and those things. So. And you mentioned you're on a board. I mean, you're quite engaged in the Lyme community. Can you tell me a little bit about that?
[00:22:38] Speaker C: Sure.
Well, when I had gotten Lyme disease, I work on a lot of patients being having a New York City practice who were in fashion or public relations.
And I got in touch with one of my patients who introduced me to Allie Hilfiger, Tommy's daughter. And she was the one that brought me first to global Lyme alliance.
And then I just met other people in the community, you know, through that.
But also, I want to say that my patient introduced me to Ali, I think, because during my research, I started thinking, why aren't people using a repellent that is effective, a natural repellent? I know that we have DEET and permethrin and picarderon and all of these other synthetic chemical sprays. But being a natural doctor, I like to go with natural. And I saw a lot of research, mostly research that was abroad. And so I started thinking, why doesn't or why don't any of these natural repellents have what I think should be in it or formulated the way that I think it should be. I should say that my background is in biochemistry, so I have, you know, huge appetite for anything and everything chemistry related.
And so that was why my patient introduced me to Mandy and then we started talking and that was how my company, TikTok Naturals kind of started.
Which is an organic natural insect repellent.
So that's what came out of all of this. It's formulated very differently than a lot of the other sprays that use uses different oils. And for me, because I wanted to be able to trust that it was non GMO and organic, so it's completely different. Instead of being a hydrophobic oil, which as I'm sure you know, means that it's waterproof or water repelling, my spray was formulated as water loving. So it adheres to the skin and it doesn't wash off as easily as you would think because it is an oil. But since the active oils are essential oils, they all blend together without needing to put in homogenizing agents or additives that could further break down the bioactivity of the product. So because of that, the product will last five hours. Anecdotally I've been told it lasts seven hours per application. So that's pretty darn good.
[00:25:45] Speaker B: I think that's so essentially. Okay, so all the ingredients in it organic then, so you don't have to worry about glyphosates or anything?
[00:25:56] Speaker C: Yes. Nothing. No hexane extraction. Everything is done the old school slow way.
[00:26:04] Speaker B: Yeah, I love that. And so I'm curious, kind of, do you mind kind of going through some of the ingredients and just the kind of the biochemistry of it and why you selected that?
[00:26:17] Speaker C: Okay, so basically the oils are lemongrass oil, which is in the same family as citronella, and then rosemary thyme.
We have, well, I call it eugenol, but it's clove and also geranium and peppermint. So those are all of the essential oils that are in it. And it's in a grapeseed oil base. So it's very anti aging, but like I say, it adheres to the skin.
[00:26:51] Speaker B: And so when you pick these ingredients. Yeah, cause obviously you could pick other ones as well, but you chose these.
Yeah. Is it for the.
[00:27:01] Speaker C: Yes, it was for the feel.
I think canola oil and soybean oil are very thick and greasy feeling, whereas this, using this oil, it may have like a greasy feel for the first several minutes, but then basically it just softens up and adheres and stays on the skin.
And as I say, it doesn't reduce the efficacy of the active oils. So it's able to last far longer than some of the other oils that are maybe water based with witch hazel or different types of ingredients where they really only have about 45 to 90 minutes of efficacy. And I look at it from a human perspective, nobody's going to run around and spray themselves every hour, on the hour, whether they're in their backyard or on the go.
So you really do. And again, the spray is effective not only for ticks, but also for mosquitoes and fleas and spiders and apparently kissing bugs. Were trying to come up with a way that we can figure out that patients where people can be protected at night. Because this is an odd situation that we're finding ourselves in with this new threat.
[00:28:35] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And so how do you know that these essential oils repel ticks? How do you, how do we know that?
[00:28:45] Speaker C: Well, I mean, there's been a lot of research proving that all of these oils do repel ticks. In fact, interestingly, not that it may actually directly affect the spray, but Dr. Shang out of Johns Hopkins did a study proving that certain oils were in fact repelling to borrelia, which is interesting.
So I don't know if it's the borrelia inside of the tick that actually is wanting the tick to get away because it's affecting their equilibrium. But certainly we've done testing where we've applied spray to the arm of a recipient test subject and put a tick right on their arm. And it was just trying to make a, to get away from the arm, kind of like falling over onto its back. They don't like the smell. They. I don't. And again, I don't know if it's the borrelia inside of the tick or if it just affects the neurological system. As you know, ticks absorb everything through their skin, if you will. So they don't, they do not like the spray at all.
[00:30:07] Speaker B: So that's a fascinating thought. So, yeah, because we know obviously Lyme connects into our nervous system.
So it seems like what you're saying, I mean, obviously we're postulating, but.
[00:30:21] Speaker C: Yeah, obviously. But it kind of falls in line with the scientific study done out of Johns Hopkins proving that essential oil therapy, therapy, even as a aromatherapy or oils that can be taken, whether it be oregano oil or other oils, that they do have an antimicrobial or an effect with borrelia and tick borne diseases.
[00:30:53] Speaker B: So your spray essentially is not just preventative, but also for If a person is infected, I would assume then that's possible.
[00:31:03] Speaker C: I wouldn't say that, but there's an interesting connection there.
[00:31:09] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean you're saying that there's studies against Borrelia with these different essential oils. So I mean, obviously we're not saying that your product has proven to do this, but the studies of these essential oils have shown that Borrelia does not like it.
[00:31:28] Speaker C: Yes. And I can send you a link to that study.
And it was, it is in frontiers of medicine. So it's been highly peer reviewed and of course Dr. Shang is a brilliant doctor and medical researcher.
[00:31:47] Speaker B: Yeah, I love, I love that.
Well, so yeah, I mean it's essentially, and that's the scary part, you know, people that have been affected by Lyme or someone else that they love, they are essentially isolating themselves in some fashion just because of the fear. So then to be able to have a tool to allow them to be out in nature and do things that they enjoy without that fear, that becomes, that's powerful.
[00:32:16] Speaker C: And that's what was driving me with this product. I want people to be able to get out back into nature and, and if they have a compromised immune system, which we know many with Lyme do, you know, is it really in their best interest to use a synthetic chemical spray that has specific side effects that.
[00:32:43] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean we know like you're saying deets and all these chemicals, they're gonna suppress your immune system function, they're gonna suppress your ability to deal with, with any infectious agent. They're going to also have an impact on your hormonal system, on your liver, on your, you know, there's so much impact. So then to utilize something that is supportive, anti inflammatory, immune boosting and also some of these are very detoxifying as well. So it actually support your body while you are working on preventing.
[00:33:20] Speaker C: Well, all of these essential oils have been known to have these different effects of clear mindedness and all of these things. So yes, they do work in line with compromised immune system and a patient who is on therapy.
But for me, I like to say you can still get bit in the second and third time. You can get bitten in your sleep and it's becoming more and more of a threat.
So this is of course very concerning.
[00:33:55] Speaker B: So it's almost like, you know, for a person, especially if you live in an area where ticks are prominent and Lyme, especially on the east coast, but we know that they're not limited to east coast. It is a good habit then to almost spray yourself down before Going to bed.
[00:34:14] Speaker C: Well, that is what I'm trying to say. It's hard enough to get people to apply it before they get dressed and leave the house. But I learned the hard way myself that you can get bitten by a spider and the spider can be carrying a disease and you can become infected.
So basically, it's just something we all need to think about.
[00:34:40] Speaker B: And so do you need to. Then is it that every area has to be covered or just kind of spraying enough and then it gets into your bloodstream and then.
[00:34:50] Speaker C: Well, I say that you spray into the hands and I tell people just to, like, wipe it up and down over all exposed skin.
I don't know.
Haven't really thought that much. I just found that when all this news came out about the kissing bug, that just suddenly made things a little bit concerning because they do actively go after people while they're sleeping, and they can cause Chaga's disease, which can become a problem 30 years down the line.
So I feel like we're just always in a constant struggle with, you know, the entomology kingdom, basically.
But for me, I just want people to be smart and be protected as much as possible, utilizing products that are not harmful to them. So it's the same way that I tell my patients to eat organic or and non gmo because it reduces the amount of inflammation that develops in the system. And so again, when we're talking about a patient with a compromised system that has Lyme disease, certainly you want to mitigate any increased inflammation.
[00:36:21] Speaker B: Absolutely.
Do you mind, just for the audience that doesn't know what kissing bug is, do you mind just kind of explaining that a little bit?
[00:36:29] Speaker C: I should try to remember the name of the bug, but it's a little bug that was from South America. And I guess with climate change and the same thing with ticks, they're basically spreading north and west and basically. So this bug is making its way right now across the. The southern tier of the United States. I think it's coming up as it might even be in Idaho, I'm sorry to say, but it's making its way north, probably also to New Jersey. I don't know if they're in New York, but they go and they bite. They come up and they bite by the mouth or the eye. And this is not so pleasant. When they're done biting, nibbling on your blood or whatever, they take a little, you know, they release their little feces, if you will, and it gets into your system and they put it right into the bite. So it goes into the bloodstream, which is very scary. But I do think even if you had some, you know, wiped across your neck area and perhaps up in the area here, it would likely keep a bug away from you. They do.
They are repelled by standard repellent products.
So I just don't know that I would personally want to apply DEET all over myself when I was going to bed. And then in the morning, you know, it's certainly a very strong neurotoxin.
And then permethrin I'm concerned about just because of its carcinogenic potential.
So I think about things in this framework and the ability to fight off and metabolize all of these synthetic chemicals.
[00:38:30] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, the essential oils are essentially the plants defense system, their immune system, and we are benefiting from that because plants, they can't run away, so they got to figure out how to defend themselves where they're standing.
And so that's where these different essential oils come into play. And we can utilize that for our own benefit, obviously.
[00:38:53] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:38:55] Speaker B: Well, Susan, where can people go to learn more about your repellent? Because that sounds amazing.
[00:39:03] Speaker C: Thank you. It's called TikTok Naturals. T I C K T O C K Naturals. And they can go on tiktoknaturals.com they can go on Instagram or Facebook. Same thing, TikTok Naturals. And learn more about the product.
[00:39:23] Speaker B: Should be easy to remember. TikTok.
[00:39:25] Speaker C: Absolutely. Although some people think Tik, but it's Tik for Tik and Tock.
[00:39:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:39:32] Speaker C: Great.
[00:39:33] Speaker B: Well, Susan, this has been wonderful, and thank you for all you're doing for the Lime community.
[00:39:39] Speaker C: Thank you.
[00:39:40] Speaker B: It's always, you know, we need as many people to educate and provide solutions and tools, you know, because it is such a scary epidemic that we're dealing with.
[00:39:50] Speaker C: Absolutely. And thank you for such a wonderful podcast. I've been listening to a number of your podcasts, and I think this is very well presented and organized, and we need to hear more across the entire United States.
[00:40:11] Speaker B: Thank you so much. Thank you.
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