[00:00:01] Speaker A: Welcome back to Integrative Lyme Solutions with doctor Karl Feldt.
[00:00:05] Speaker B: I am so excited about the show.
[00:00:07] Speaker C: That we have ahead of us.
[00:00:08] Speaker A: We have some phenomenal information that could save lives.
[00:00:13] Speaker C: You're gonna need to tune in to what's going on today.
[00:00:16] Speaker D: The information is jam packed, so don't step away.
[00:00:24] Speaker C: Well, today, everyone, you're in for a treat. I'm here with my. My dear friend Robbie Besner and his wife. They're the owner of Thera Sage. But, Robbie, thank you so much for being with me here today.
[00:00:38] Speaker D: Wow. I appreciate being here, Michael. It's always, always a pleasure. And any opportunity to address the Lyme community, and I know you're so active in that way is really great for us because we're very passionate about it.
[00:00:54] Speaker C: So you, yours. There's a story behind why your company was created.
Do you mind sharing that story?
[00:01:06] Speaker D: No, not at all.
We date back 25 years ago, so people tuning in today understand that the Lyme research and the advancements in Lyme protocols, some of the things that we talked about together, the things that you integrate in your practice, are really the more modern ways to approach Lyme. But back then, 25 years ago, and I have an allopathic background, so I started the allopathic track at Case Western reserve. So I have a fairly good understanding of physiology and biology and the way the body works.
My daughter, my oldest child, contracted Lyme disease 25 years ago. And we had means, so we sought to then was the top Lyme literate doctor in the country, which was a guy named doctor Joseph Durascano, you may have heard that name.
We were living down in Florida, and he was in. He was located out on Long Island, I think it was East Hampton. And so every six weeks, which was very, very common then, either my wife and I would take turns, and we'd fly up to New York from Florida, and we'd spend a couple of days in the city, and then we would go out to Long island and then tweak Julia's protocol, and then come back and then employ it back down in Florida. But remember, back then, 25 years ago, we didn't have telemed. We didn't have a lot of the correspondent relationships that we have today with being able to have virtual practices. So, Julia, or, you know, wasn't very long before we had our Lyme literate doctor who was giving us the different switches in the protocol. A corresponding practitioner. Practitioner that would take the protocol in Florida. A psychologist. Sorry, it was a psychiatrist, actually, because that's very common. Most times. And many of the Lyme people that are tuning in today can appreciate that they go through all these changes in their body, and they're trying to express that to their family and to their practitioners. And most of them, when they take their blood tests or they take various different other clinical approaches to understanding their condition, not knowing it's Lyme or not looking for Lyme right away, they basically tell the patient they're crazy. It's all psychosomatic.
Julie had a pain doctor, a psychiatrist, a general practitioner.
It was just before long, there was an entourage of practitioners around, all giving Julia protocols, not talking to one another.
So there was a lot of that challenge going on because I had a medical background, I actually became my daughter's nurse. So in the beginning, she was taking, like, oral antibiotics until her GI tract got so messed up that they went to iv therapy, and then her veins collapsed. So we had to. I installed a PiCC line, and then we were going iv therapy for getting in the very caustic cocktails of different antibiotics that were coming in anyway.
So we did that therapy for close to eight years.
But understand something about at least my orientation. They didn't have integrated functional medicine 25 years ago, at least how we have it defined today, but that was my definition. So I've been a biohacker for close to 40 years, and I also. I just took a more alternative, natural approach to healing. But when it came to my daughter, and this is kind of very common among practitioners, it's like you're frozen in the headlights. You want to go in a certain direction. But the standard of care at that time was using antibiotics, which really was against a lot of my natural principles for healing, but we took that route because it was the only one. And Doctor Joseph Brascano, which was the top Lyme literate doctor at the time, in our country, probably globally, had more than 15,000 patients under his care. So he had the most amount of statistical data. So we felt that that was the way to go. And we did that for about eight years. And it was kind of a roller coaster, to be quite honest. Doc, doc, it would be like probably many people tuning in today can appreciate you'd get some kind of relief from your symptom. So you go into remission, and then, because the chemical approach, using pharmaceuticals, particularly because they don't quite resonate with the same body frequencies, a lot of them. So the smart bugs, which was either the co infections or the Lyme itself, would understand the change in the blood chemistry and they would ball up into a little cyst and go into. Burrow into your tissue. And so you became less symptomatic right after a die off. So there might be like a Herxheimer reaction of sort, and then you feeling, wow, I'm on track. Things are going great. And then something would happen, maybe an emotional problem in your life or a physical problem or both, that would create a little bit of a sort of a downtick in your immune system, allowing the smart bug to say, hmm, maybe the coast is clear, and they come back out again, and then you come back and have another episode. And so there was a lot of that roller coaster activity going on over the eight years that we were doing the traditional approach to Lyme way back then. So just.
[00:06:50] Speaker C: Just a question there. So I just want to reiterate this. So you're saying that your daughter or an individual, they would do antibiotics, they hit it hard with something really harsh, and then they feel a bit of the die off symptoms, but the Lyme that's surviving, they're going into cyst form and then going in protective mode that antibiotics really can kill. And because of that, they are feeling better.
So in that way, you're getting kind of like a connection with feeling better and the antibiotic, when in reality, the feeling better is just the Lyme. Lyme's defense mechanism from the antibiotic. And in reality, we haven't really done much to Lyme anyway.
[00:07:42] Speaker D: Yeah, well, we lowered the population of the Lyme, like, let's say the grandparents and the parents, but the babies would go into hiding.
That's the remission piece. And so you actually. I love the way you just fashioned that, because it's truly what was happening.
It's a false sense of success or security, in a way, because you feel like you're on task, because the goal would be to become symptom free. Right? Absorb. And so you were feeling that way as the patient and searching for the best approach and feeling, getting some relief, thinking that you're on track, and so that you would lean into that kind of approach because you're searching for success. And many Lyme patients go for, from doctor to doctor, trying different protocols, which is another point. Many of the protocols out there, actually, they do work or they do have some level of success, but we're kind of living in a fast food type of approach to life these days. I want to blame Amazon, but the people are looking for, like, a magic pill or just something that is going to take it all away with one treatment. And, you know, we dealt with my daughter. She was 15 when she was diagnosed. And so when you're younger, you have generally, if you're genetically right, you generally have a really strong immune system. And so you can go 510, 15 years symptom free while the Lyme is actually starting to build population in your body. And, you know, they're smart bugs. And so what, you know, bugs are. It's kind of a funny thing. Like, everyone looks at it like they're your enemy. It's the war against Lyme disease. It isn't that at all, I believe, but they. But it's kind of like I correlate a spirochete and. Or the co infections, the bacterias, like a shark, they're like a perfect organism. They only do three things really well. They multiply and replicate because they want to survive, right?
They use your body resources because they're parasitic in that way, and they poop. So if you do something that creates a die off, either they're dying and that becomes a toxin, or in their life cycle, they're dying off, and so that becomes a toxin, or they just, in their life cycle, they poop through their life cycle, and those are toxins.
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[00:12:13] Speaker D: And so what happened for us was we were taking an allopathic track, but I wasn't happy with that personally. But it was something we decided to do as a family because we felt that that was the strongest foot forward based on and research and finding the right doctor and all that.
And with that going on, I chose to do my own research, which was really the genesis of my company, because what I discovered was there's a strong correlation between toxicity, inflammation, and symptom. And so what I felt was if I could figure out a way to lower my daughter's toxicity because she had the same buildup I just described, natural die offs from her own immune system. She had the bugs or the symphony of organisms that work together, pooping and toxicide.
And so I felt like if I could just lower her toxicity levels, I'd lower part of her symptoms, which would give her a lot of her life back, her normal life back, and also gave time for the practitioners to actually address the root cause. And so that was my theory at the time. And so I kind of researched, did a deep dive in what I. The best methods to detoxify. And so there are pharmaceuticals and natural chelators that'll purge toxins in the body. There is dialysis, which is a little bit more invasive because they're sticking a tube into your arm, cleaning, screening your blood, and then putting your blood back into your body, which is very effective, but also invasive. And then I discovered that there's actually wavelengths of sun energy, which is the infrared spectrum that will, when these wavelengths come into the body, they create a vibration that shakes your toxins loose from where they're stored, creating and mobilizing the toxins in your body. And I thought that was revelating. So 25 years ago, the infrared, and I'm talking about the infrared spectrum of sun energy. This is natural. That happens in. And that was also another part of my theory, because I felt that pharmaceuticals, changing blood chemistry, the smart bug would react to that. But if I could do an intervention that was natural, like oxygen or heat or light therapy, infrared light, particularly now we're hitting the smart bug with nature, and that's like blindsiding them, because, you know, the oxygen in your blood is normal, and these bugs are anaerobic in nature, and so they don't like oxygen. So if we could super oxygenate the blood, there's going to be a natural die off. If we could raise your core temperature, that's called hypothermia, which we do very effectively using our infrared sauna device, then now we're raising core again. That's creating what happens to your immune system. And maybe you know this or not, but if I can raise your core temperature, which is like creating a false fever, to about 101 and a half degrees fahrenheit, what happens is that your immune system kind of kicks into overdrive. So your lymphatic lymphocytes, your t 57 killer cells, they start. They actually are 800 times more active when your core temperature is above 105, 101.5. At the very same time, at that temperature, core temperature, the bugs can't deal with the temperature rise and they start to die off, or they don't populate as quickly, they don't replicate as quickly. So if we can slow down their replication, create a little bit of die off from that, and also kick in your immune system on overdrive. Now we're really attacking the bug, like, secretly or blindsiding them, because they don't see us coming. And your immune system is in overdrive, and they're weakened as a population. And so that, to me, I thought, made a lot more logical sense.
I organized a trip to China. I went for three and a half months. I interviewed 65 factories and found two or three I wanted to work with and just started making infrared devices for home use. And my daughter had kind of an entourage of practitioners at that point, but they saw that she was responding so well to the infrared therapy, that they wanted to adopt our technology in their practices. And that's kind of how we got started. It was all organic. I didn't have venture capital. I didn't. And even now, today, my wife and I, Melody and I, we own our company 100%. We're just, you know, we grew a lot organically in terms of our exposure and the things that we're doing. And, you know, we are very embedded in the Lyme community. It's one of. It's very dear to me, particularly for the adolescent Lyme patients, the kids. That, to me, you know, I think as a parent, you always want to take the bullet or take the disease, rather than have your children your child go through that? And so, yeah, anyway, that's kind of.
[00:17:32] Speaker C: Our backstory and how. Yeah, so you're talking about your. The infrared sauna that you have. And I love that sauna. It's an amazing sauna, but it's one of those personalized ones that you can pretty much set up anywhere, and it's pretty inexpensive.
That's correct, yeah. So looking at then, for Lyme patients, because you have so many tools on your website, that's so beneficial in so many different ways, what would be your direction saying, if you're dealing with Lyme, these are the tools that I would get, that we have. I mean, what would they be and why?
[00:18:15] Speaker D: Well, I really like the sauna because it's a full body experience.
And, you know, there's many doctor Rhonda Patrick and Andrew Huberman, a lot of people have been. Even Tony Robbins, in his latest book, talks about all the global benefits. Like, so we're talking about Lyme today. But it's not just Lyme. I mean, it may start with Lyme, but, you know, as you start to get better, then you can, your whole family can join in in using sauna for lowering morbidity. And, you know, a lot of the great benefits there. So we like the sauna because it's a full body treatment, because we can raise core temperature, like I was referencing a few minutes ago, that creates a die off.
When you raise your body temperature up, there's another physiological event that occurs that's called vasodilation. So the warmth, and it's an internal heat. So there's a difference between infrared sauna and hot rock sauna or steam room. Those use convection heat. So we're warming up the ambient air. The ambient air touches your skin, and that raises your skin temperature, eventually raising your body temperature underneath. You start to sweat, and those poisons come out. Okay, now, infrared doesn't heat the ambient air. It actually goes directly into your body, because the frequency within full spectrum infrared will harmonize and at the same level frequency as the water inside your body.
And so let's start with that again. Underneath your skin, there's an insulating layer of fat that protects your insides from extreme temperatures, either hot or cold. But that fat is probably 70% to 75% water.
And so where convection heat, like a hot roxana or a steam room, have to be at 200 degrees fahrenheit, 185 really hot, hot, hot in order for you to that heat to penetrate through that insulating layer to create pulling out the toxins from the body, infrared doesn't work that way. It actually goes right through that insulating layer because it's vibrating at the same level or the same frequency as the water.
Now it's going right into the body, and it harbors in basically the most dense parts of your body, which is your organ mass or your I. Your tissues, like your muscle tissue. And that's generally where the lyme will go hide.
Now I'm raising internal core temperature with infrared, which the bugs don't like. I'm creating vasodilation, more circulation. Circulation has your DNA and rna, which is your repair mechanisms, genetic repair mechanisms, and it also carries oxygen and all your nutrition. So if you're taking medications or you're just doing good supplementation or just eating really well, good nutrition, that increased blood flow, which is probably 15% to 20%, something like that. When you get that vasodilation, it's really great. Bringing oxygen repair. It's doing everything you need your body to do naturally to fight back.
At the same time, we're raising core, there's a natural die off of the bugs, and at the same time, we're slowing down their replication, giving our immune systems, our body the strength and vitality it needs. And also the weakened, the stronger immune system and the weaker attacker, or the protagonist. Right.
They start to run for cover. And that, to me, is kind of a little bit more natural approach, just using your body's resources.
And, you know, I think, I believe, and it's kind of interesting because it's a belief system I have that's similar to cancer. There's a shift in your internal body chemistry that's actually allowing cancers to grow because they're mutant cells that should normally die off. But if the right perfect storm is created internally, they start to thrive. Same thing with Lyme disease or any imbalance of microorganisms in your body. And so if we, in doing simple things like sauna, you can actually reset and rebalance your internal chemistry, your melo, your terrain. And so that allows not just kind of puts Lyme in its place. And I kind of think, and I don't know if it's a more modern view of just my opinion, but I think Lyme is very similar to malaria and maybe hepatitis, where you never really get rid of it. But if you're living, and this may be a more modern approach to the definition of health or well being, if you're living symptom free and you're able to work and be part of your community, follow your passion or bliss, I believe that the diagnosis is really just a label, because if you're functional and you don't have many episodes, and that's really my goal, is to create a symptom free environment, not necessarily on a blood test or something clinical or analytical. Knock it out completely. I think it's really a reset and a rebalancing.
That is what I go for. So I don't know if that makes sense to you, but it seems to be something that I lean into because it works really well with our population and the Lyme community.
[00:23:54] Speaker C: Yeah, I agree. I don't think. Yes, we. I think the majority of us have spikes in some form, and it is just based upon the kind of. The system that they exist within, how they express themselves.
[00:24:13] Speaker D: Exactly.
[00:24:14] Speaker C: If our system, if our mitochondria is strong, if we're able to detox well, we're eating well, we're. Yeah, then. Then I think we coexist with these different pathogens, because these pathogens have been around for forever.
[00:24:32] Speaker D: Oh, yeah.
[00:24:32] Speaker C: Yeah. So they're finding new.
[00:24:34] Speaker D: They're finding spirochetes in sarcophagus, like, when they unravel, like a lot of the tombs in pyramids, they're finding spirochetes there. So think about how far it goes back. Right. Um, so I love sauna. That's our full body experience. And then we have the same technology in what we call healing pads, and they're just sort of like heating pads with infrared in them, and there you can bring them right to a very specific area that you want to heal. They're an on body experience rather than a full body. So you can be in sauna for half hour, 45 minutes every day is preferable. And also, early in the morning is really good because it has a tendency to reset your circadian rhythm. And many Lyme patients, as you know, their sleep cycles are off. And so with having bad sleep cycles again, it bodes well for the.
For the Lyme, because now you wake up in the morning not rested, and you don't get that benefit of the evening detox that happens while you're sleeping, because you don't get into that deepen restorative sleep. You're getting maybe quantity sleep, but you're not getting the quality sleep you need to actually repair. And so that's one thing I really love. And so the on body stuff can actually, if you've got. If you're experiencing body pain, joint pain, and Lyme has a tendency to kind of move around. So you can take. You can be in the sauna for that 45 minutes. But then while you're working through your day, let's say if you're in front of a screen or you're in a desk job, and you can have your healing pad on your body and. Or when you're resting, and so you can use the on body experience for hours on end, where the sauna is usually just that 45 minutes session, something like that. And we like using binders because as we mobilize toxins, using charcoal, bentonite, clay, zeolite derivatives are great ways to help bind up the mobilized toxin, lowering that toxic burden. Again, toxicity goes to symptoms. Symptoms, or lowers inflammation, then inflammation lower symptoms, you get functional again. You know, it's not perfect, but it's way better than being bedridden or having other kind of challenges and feeling a little bit hopeless that there's no way out. You've tried so many things, and I like when our population of patients actually take a little bit more responsibility for their health, and they can do some things at home in conjunction with. Nothing will ever take the place of you and your clinic and your intuitiveness and your education and things you do. But it's kind of nice to have that additional support from your family and from doing things at home, because I know for myself that self care piece is kind of cool, and it allows you to feel like I got some skin in the game besides just feeling helpless, that you can't do anything about this. And you've tried so many things, and you've exhausted all your money. You know, that's kind of the negative spin, but we can turn all this stuff around and. Yeah, and I think that, you know, it takes time. If you're young, some symptoms can build up over 1015 years before you get symptomatic. If you're a little older, maybe they hit earlier, but. But, you know, unwinding, that isn't an overnight event. It's really kind of more like a lifestyle choice. And so what are the bugs like? They like sugar diets. So we can shift your dietary applications.
That will, again, work great for your body, but not so good for them. Again, changing your internal chemistry and then playing with oxygenation, hypothermia. I think these are really good. And then just using simple things like binders can make a huge difference in not too short of a time. I mean, we've gotten patients asymptomatic. Again, we're not addressing the root cause. They still have maybe the co infections and the Lyme spirochete and so forth happening, but we can get them feeling better in four to six weeks, you know, so.
[00:28:41] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's, I think I just also want to reiterate another thing that you talked about, you know, which is important. So you have, you have the bug in itself, but then you have the metabolic waste that it produces. And that metabolic waste. And you, you said they eat, they poop. It's like any kind of organism. You eat and you poop.
[00:29:05] Speaker D: Exactly.
[00:29:05] Speaker C: And that poop is going to have an impact, and that poop is also going to impact the nervous system. It's going to trigger inflammatory responses. So if you increase, and that is what causes the symptoms, that inflammation, that pain, the nerve system are firing because it's agitated by. By this caustic metabolic waste from the lyme. So if we can then open up our ability to detoxify and move that metabolic waste out of our system much faster, that will then relieve the stress on our immune system, relieve the stress on the tissue where it's at. So we are not symptomatic. So we're not exhausted. We're not dealing with brain fog. We're not having pain here and there. Yeah. So that's why that is so important. And then we are then freeing up a lot of stress on our immune system. So the more. And the immune system is obviously, that is the most intelligent bug killer out there. If we relieve stress from that, they are then able to go in and do their job without us even bringing in antibiotics or cat's claw or whatever, just on its own.
[00:30:20] Speaker D: Exactly. Now, keep in mind, with anything in infrared, any infrared application, whether it be onbody or sauna, is going to mobilize the toxin. And so another thing we always like to do is make sure that our communities are well hydrated, because we want to keep flushing these poisons out of the body. And, you know, I don't know. There are clinical and both a lot of weight loss programs out there. And if you've ever seen some patients, oftentimes, because the layer of fat that we talked about earlier on your skin basically gets most of the environmental toxins through water, showering, bathing, through the things that we eat and the air that we breathe. And so that's stored about almost 70% of that fat molecule is toxin. And so when you start to sweat, those toxins come out, and that's fantastic. About 80% comes out in sweat, as you see it, droplets of sweat. But around 20% actually goes the other direction into your bloodstream. That's why I love doing binders with infrared, because I'm catching all the poisons that were mobilizing, pulling out from tissues inside.
Now, earlier, I talked about that vibration and that vibration called a bioresonance, that infrared wavelengths do. That vibration actually breaks the, it's called a covalent bond. There's actually a bond between the toxin and your tissue. And so where hot rock saunas and steam rooms will sweat, and that takes a lot of poison out.
What it's not getting are the ones that the poisons, like heavy metals and neurotoxins, the mold toxins. Also, mold is a big challenge, too. I'm sure you've probably seen that. So mold, when mold and Lyme team up, boy, that's a bad combination. And so we've seen Lyme patients that were functional, doing really great on what we've been talking about, these kinds of protocols, all of a sudden, they get influenced by mold in their home, and they go from feeling great to almost being bedridden overnight. So that's another probably discussion on a different day or maybe with a different mold expert that you bring in to discuss that. But I think that's a challenge, too. So we like to look at your home environment, because that's your safe place, and try to clean up that in order to kind of cut down the variables of the things that might be preventing you from healing or slowing you down from the healing process, which, as we talked about earlier, we're kind of living in a sort of a fast food in psychology these days. And people get impatient, especially if you're not feeling great, you get even more impatient that you want some kind of result. And I think, you know, from our discussions, the approaches that you take in your clinic are amazing, but they do take time, because if you take, you know, if it takes you ten to 15 years to build up that toxic burden, to when, to a point where you're getting symptomatic, that's not a shift that you can to go the opposite direction, lower that toxic burden. It doesn't happen overnight. You have to make a commitment to it. But I think that it's a good commitment. And when you combine the clinical approaches that you do in your clinic with some things that you can integrate with home therapy, it's really a great way to get back on your feet, feel like you're being useful again, builds your self esteem the other way. You got this roller coaster of doctors you go to with moderate results.
Physically, you get better, or maybe you get delta neutral, like you're basically a little high. You're doing really great. Then you got a little low. Then you come back to middle emotionally, every time you try and it doesn't work subliminally, you actually make new lows. And at some point, it's hard emotionally to get enough energy to try another protocol that we want to avoid in the most way, you know, so hang in there. Choose your doctor well, do well research, make sure that he's a doctor that listens to you. And I think another issue is the emotional, psychological part, because many patients are experiencing these changes in their bodies. They know they don't feel well. They tell their families, they tell their doctors, the doctors look at their blood tests and they come back and they go, it looks like everything is pretty much in order.
It's got to be in your head because it's not showing on the paper. And don't. If that's the doctor that's talking to you that way, find a doctor that will listen to you. I think that's really key. Doctor.
[00:35:06] Speaker C: Love it. Well, Robbie, you have such passion. What you bring into the world is such an amazing tool. And I know the integrity between both you and your wife.
You just want to make sure that people do better. And you dig deep into science, dig deep into the biohacking, and making sure that the best possible tools are available. So I am, for all the listeners, I'm going to have a link associated with interviews so that you have a chance.
If you don't have a personalized sauna, infrared sauna in your home, this would be an essential tool. And so I'll have a link for that. So people that are interested, they can check it out. Well, Robbie, thank you so much, and, yeah, thank you. Thank you for what you do.
[00:35:56] Speaker D: This is great. Yep. And you, too. And I think that together we can get back at these beat up those line guys, get our customers, our patients, and people back on their feet and getting functional and following their bliss and doing everything we're supposed to be doing here while we're on what I call earth camp, while we're on this planet. Let's go for it. So, thank you so much for having me and having an opportunity to share some of these ancient wisdoms that we employ that make a difference, and it doesn't have to cost an arm and a leg, really. I mean, I think the combination of getting a great practitioner like you are with your clinic and using some, you know, home self care devices, that combination is winning. And overall, we're very passionate about the Lyme community. And really, thanks for having the opportunity to get to see you again and share some wisdom.
[00:36:50] Speaker C: Always my joy. Thank you.
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